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Discussion in 'News' started by bonnie, Jan 4, 2013.
TMC is quoted heavily.
Tesla Model S Annoys Some Owners, Thrills Others
in case my comment on the article is deleted:
Great piece ... many early reservation holders feel the same way.
I don't pretend to know anything about journalism, but pulling customer comments from a forum seems to be a decent legitimate source. Now, its not a absolutely true source (can't confirm the identity of someone trying to trash Tesla), but its a source nonetheless. I will say its interesting to see an article on "Green Car Report" to be in a negative light, at least that speaks to it not pandering, aka all electric cars are perfect.
You typically quote someone when you interview them or get their permission but it isn't mandatory. You at least link your source. He is now quoting people without even listing their usernames. Very lazy journalism.
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I sent them a message with the subject 'General Feedback' about how he tends to use an anonymous forum for his articles without contacting the posters.
Yeah, an anonymous source (forums might as well be anonymous) seems pretty shady.
Journalism 101: The integrity of your sources matters.
The problem with using a forum as your source is blatantly obvious ... anyone can say anything on a forum. You could be quoting a short. You could be quoting YOURSELF. (Puppet show!) And certainly if you're going to pull stuff out of a forum with a copyright notice at the bottom of each page, you should be getting permission and providing a link to your source.
Sorry, David. While the topic is valid, you didn't do the work.
We've known for a long time that 85kwh's were going to go out first, and that certain features would delay production -- grey leather, not wanting air suspension, etc. I don't see the big deal. We are participating in something revolutionary here; something much bigger and better than just a luxury car purchase. THIS is not the equivalent of a lunch deli in New York City. IMHO.
PS. I'm proud of my place in line (P2,619) because it represents my early stake and risk in this revolution, not because it gets me a car earlier.
I try and play each side of things most of the time, just because like many of us here (we are on a site called Teslamotorsclub.com) I can be a "fanboy" of the company and the product. While I can understand his frustration about his number, I can't agree with him about 85kwh getting their car first and him being upset about it. Honestly the whole article sounds like "I didn't get my car yet either! I am going to write an article about it because I am upset about that!"
Even if he was a 85kwh reservation holder, does that make him right to have his car late? I don't believe so. Having just a Bachelors in business (Or... just taking one logistics course) I would argue that logistics for a company like this is off the charts and I too would send products to certain locals first then to follow the order numbers. Yes, it will probably make customers upset, but if I am not mistaken I believe either Elon or George B touched on why they are delivering such as they are.
I am in IT, I don't pretend to know anything about logistics, but I know enough to say that getting your order late from an upstart NEW car company (in relation to mass market) with NEW technology and a NEW market. I would be glad to even have the chance to get the car.
Does anyone know if David Noland has an account on TMC? He has P717 so may be easy to find out...
Yes, he is a TMC member.
Show yourself David, we don't bite.
Hah! He reads the forum. He knows better.
Quoted post :
Can't find the other one.
"I heard David Noland is a cannibal."
Let's see how long it takes for someone to quote that in a Green Car Reports post.
Seems like a reasonable article tho it would've been nice to link comments in context. Give TMC some traffic and it sources the quote if folks want to see more.
Who know what happens in editing tho. Greencarreports might have editor issues with embedded links to forum quotes.
Good luck on getting the 60Kwh car soon David! The car really is very nice which is why waiting is soooo very hard.
So, 22 months later this is newsworthy? Journalism fail.
Arguably ethics fail as well, but I'm trying to be more generous in the new year with my criticisms.
You neglected to highlight the "in 2012" from George's quote. That set the expectation.
Unfortunately there were some delays on the aggressive timeline.
That wasn't David's concern in his post. I'm not even sure he mentioned 2012 in the entire post. I'll look again.