Tesla Model X versus BMW X6

[PV4EV]

But my kw/h cost is also much higher: 0,23€ (~0,30 $). Off hour price is not considerably less. A Modell S would save me only about half my diesel costs but the sticker price is about 20k € more than my (fully loaded) 320xd. For me, the ROI is negative....

I've just done some quick figures on the back of an envelope, and sure enough if you are charging during the day and paying the very high rate of 0.2E / KwH then the cost per mile of an average EV really is only half that of Diesel car as you say - I didn’t realise they were that close. (I've assumed the 320xd does approx 50mpg, and that an EV does approx 300w/mile.)

It sounds like you have excessive electricity rates though. What does the utility company charge at night time rates ??



Here in UK, my own day rate for grid electricity is approx 14p / KwH, and the nigh time rate (1am to 7am) is 5.9p / KwH. So, for reference and using the same assumptions, an EV charged at night time is still 1/6th the cost of running an efficient Diesel.

And if you compare it to the cost of an average petrol car doing 25mpg then the EV is 1/12 of the cost .


… and having a property with > 3Kwp of PV, and the benefit of feed in tariffs payments, it would mean that running the EV will cost 0.0, or less than zero per mile :smile:

 

[jcstp]

*edit* here it is -- I suppose this would make a decent Roadster 3.0 or bluestar performance.

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For me this would be a beautiful third model on the model S chassis
A four doors coupé!
Bit like Aston-Martin Rapide, Lamborginis prototype, Mercedes cls,.......

 

[AnOutsider]

Ya but franz doesn't do hard aggressive lines

 

[T@oo]

I've just done some quick figures on the back of an envelope, and sure enough if you are charging during the day and paying the very high rate of 0.2E / KwH then the cost per mile of an average EV really is only half that of Diesel car as you say - I didn’t realise they were that close. (I've assumed the 320xd does approx 50mpg, and that an EV does approx 300w/mile.)

It sounds like you have excessive electricity rates though. What does the utility company charge at night time rates ??



Here in UK, my own day rate for grid electricity is approx 14p / KwH, and the nigh time rate (1am to 7am) is 5.9p / KwH. So, for reference and using the same assumptions, an EV charged at night time is still 1/6th the cost of running an efficient Diesel.

And if you compare it to the cost of an average petrol car doing 25mpg then the EV is 1/12 of the cost .


… and having a property with > 3Kwp of PV, and the benefit of feed in tariffs payments, it would mean that running the EV will cost 0.0, or less than zero per mile :smile:

Off peak price is 0.18 € but also comes with higher day time at about 0.25 €. Really not worth it. These are comon kwH prices in Germany. I used the my real data of 6,7 liter/100km at 1,45 € per liter. And calculated 230 wh/ km (370wh/mile) for the Model S (2x 25 km umlimited Autobahn each day ...).

Got a 10kwp solar array too.

But I'm confident to get a Tesla anyway. Depends on how the 3phase charging and Servicing details work out.

 

[vfx]

Ya but franz doesn't do hard aggressive lines

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[AnOutsider]

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Still mostly swoopy

 

[stopcrazypp]

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Despite the hard/sharp accent lines, the overall design is still very flowy and smooth. The Furai was supposed to look like streamers in the wind. That's not exactly the "aggressive boxy" look people are looking for.

 

[Vger]

I think the X design is a very happy melding of practical and aesthetic considerations. I find most of BMW's recent designs busy or even downright ugly. The Model X and its sister Model S have an elegant minimalism about them. They look like they are friends with the wind and the road, not in-your-face ego statements. To me, a fit analogy is the difference between many Pininfarina-designed Ferrari's versus the angular and self-conscious Lamborghini's. I once read that Enzo Ferrari likened his cars to minks, because he said they were "soft and wild." Is that sexy or what!!

 

[scoosba]

I have always thought most BMWs look like a hippo. The grill just make me think of giant nostrils.

 

[doug]

Obligatory:

 

[brianman]

IThe Model X and its sister Model S have an elegant minimalism about them. They look like they are friends with the wind and the road, not in-your-face ego statements.

While it's a little bit smug*, that's solid tag line. Well put, Vger.

* Smug Alert (Season 10, Episode 2) - Full Episode Player - South Park Studios

 

[doug]

While it's a little bit smug*, that's solid tag line. Well put, Vger.

* Smug Alert (Season 10, Episode 2) - Full Episode Player - South Park Studios

Yeah, it's like, San Francisco is more of a European city, like Paris or Milan.

 

[Matthew049]

Based on pics alone, I'd say the X6 is more masculine and has more "presence", while the X is more elegant and sleek. As I said before the reveal, from the outline I suspected the X6 and Model X would be somewhat similar, and they sort of are.

If they're going after soccer moms and the minivan crowd, no need to get more aggressive on looks IMO -- though, I wouldn't mind. I still remember that Model S designer mockup that was very aggressive. I liked it mucho.

*edit* here it is -- I suppose this would make a decent Roadster 3.0 or bluestar performance.

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if the model S looked like this (which i was hoping for) i'd own one already. instead I switched my reservation to the X and im still hoping that will be more aggressive looking like the X6 too

 

[kevin99]

The real thing from the Teslive party feels so different from the previous picture. I have a reservation on the x and I was not very content that it does not look SUV enough from the back.

But boy when I get close to it on Saturday night first time in person, I couldn't be more pleased how it actually look! It immediately reminds me the x6, that is how I find this thread afterward.

The MX really got a very attractive rear that I can stare for the whole day! Now I wish the nose can get a lift job! I understand it is good for efficiency, but it just not in the same aesthetic league as other parts of the car!

 

[mnx]

Thanks for the pics. Those look far better than what is on the TM website! And better than what I remember seeing pics of at the Detroit Auto Show...

 

[Bradleybang]

Thanks for the pics. Those look far better than what is on the TM website! And better than what I remember seeing pics of at the Detroit Auto Show...

Here are a couple more taken from Teslive event. Apologies for quality as taken on iphone.

 

[pfq1982]

Does anybody else see an angry-face when they look at the front of the Model X in your picture?

Reminds me of the baddies in the old cartoon Jace and the Wheeled Warriors! (I think that was the title)

 

[fastcars]

I think front need some changes before going into production and also check the height of garage :wink:

 

[Ocelot]

had a similar thread going a while back....
model x kinda like x6?

 

[AnOutsider]

had a similar thread going a while back....
model x kinda like x6?

Ya, but this thread predates that thread by more than a year