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I think the low priority given to Australia applies to most manufacturers of EVs.
The quantity of Kia’s, Hyundais, Jaguar and Mercedes EVs is pretty small too.
e.g. We never got the Kia e-Nero despite it being on sale in RHD UK market for some time.
 
I think the low priority given to Australia applies to most manufacturers of EVs.
The quantity of Kia’s, Hyundais, Jaguar and Mercedes EVs is pretty small too.
e.g. We never got the Kia e-Nero despite it being on sale in RHD UK market for some time.
We are getting all of the new platform mercedes EV’s and only a few months after europe. First up is the eqs followed by eqe then eqc. Old habits die hard so there will be a multitude of variants and over-priced options for each one. Hopefully this will bring more australian people into the ev world.
 
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Thirdly, there is a significant incentive it most states right now. $3k cash back in NSW along with a waived stamp duty. This would include the SR only variants which constitute 80% of the sales volume.
That is true. NSW seems to lead the way. Some states seem to have an upper limit for some reason, making Model Y too expensive for the discount (LR). I find it is a mess just like in the US where you can get a great deal depending on which state you live in. There is no federal incentive or decision in the US and you seem to have copied our useless federal system.

The signal politicians seem to spread here in Australia (for a non Australian with a strong reference point in my Austalian wife's perspective on things) is that if you are willing to take a financial hit and invest in more expensive, environmentally friendly cars, you shouldn't get a carrot for it. Instead you may have to add extra roadtax in the close future because we obviously don't fuel up our cars with diesel or petrol. Instead of promoting the use of EV, politicians seem to be adamant to put obstacles for the EV market.

The NSW incentives are okayish - at best - if you live in NSW. Which I'm not :)

Besides, the US Cali incentives came up to 5.000 Dollars for many people. You could even get your home charger installation covered with 2.000 Dollars. As in real dollars! That, my friend, is a big 9.700 AUD worth of incentive. And you guys have so much solar it is insane. I see panelson every house where I live.

Anyone can do the maths and decide to go electric when you get these incentives + solar. It should be a no-brainer!. If you want to change people's minds? Change it through their wallets.

I don't doubt your story. I just know that Tesla employees are very much in the dark to specific tactical matter such as launch date in certain countries. Moreover, its a fluid situation and things change week on week depending on the real time demand in each market (as well as other factors)
What I heard earlier was that the original order-book launch would be in early October with deliveries late 2021 or early January/February due to holidays. They wanted to do a roll-out in Hong Kong and see the order-books. Then get the car certified in Australia. All this has been fulfilled. Except the release.

Even though "my guys" are not directly overlooking the Australian market per se, they do hear things internally at a high level. Sure, Tesla moves in mysterious ways and seem to do things ad-hoc sometimes, because they still have the flexibility to do so. In other words, anything can happen. However, it all comes down to order books, money and politics. If Europe needs it more than Australia, Europe gets it. If China needs it more than Australia, China gets it.

They said it was a strategic decision to hold it off to Q4 2022. To get their house in order and get the extra money from emission contracts as well. Australia doesn't cut it yet. The market is not ready and the Model 3 is going well, but not exceptionally fast.

I do hope they are wrong. I really do. But they have been very right on most things over the years and have more or less nailed the schedule up until now.

If you want real change in Australia, call your politician. Let them know how things are. Pester them and tell them they are not in line with what people expect or want. If enough people do that, politicians will bend. They are populists by nature and they need to stay popular. If it works in laid-back and soft-minded California, it should work here too :)

My 2 cents, for whatever it is worth. (US cents)

'Cheers'
 
They said it was a strategic decision to hold it off to Q4 2022. To get their house in order and get the extra money from emission contracts as well. Australia doesn't cut it yet. The market is not ready and the Model 3 is going well, but not exceptionally fast.

I do hope they are wrong. I really do. But they have been very right on most things over the years and have more or less nailed the schedule up until now.

There is no way Tesla would hold off on the Model Y for another year. They'd be left in the dust by then. This time next year the EV market will look very different with strong competition from the BMW iX and iX3, Hyundai Ioniq 5, Kia EV6, Volvo XC40, Mercedes EQA, Lexus UX300e, Polestar 2 etc.

For example have you seen the price on the Polestar 2? It's starting at 59.9k AUD + ORC, and it has a rear hatch and tall ride height like the Model Y.

If Tesla want to establish a presence in the Crossover segment they need to move quickly.
 
strong competition from the BMW iX and iX3, Hyundai Ioniq 5, Kia EV6, Volvo XC40, Mercedes EQA, Lexus UX300e, Polestar 2 etc.

Question is... will these models be here in volume?
They too have more profitable markets to sell into at the moment.

btw, my bet is that the Model Y will be here by end of Q1 2022 at the latest. We could even see Christmas 2021 deliveries yet.
 
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iX is massively more expensive
i3X will be performance Y money for a lot less
Ioniq 5 is a very good competitor for sure, as is the EV6

The rest are irrelevant tbh XC40 has terrible trange , expensive and interior designed for a 70 year old, EQA isnt terrible but I cant see them selling heaps, lexus is a poor ev all round(tho prices ok).
 
The signal politicians seem to spread here in Australia (for a non Australian with a strong reference point in my Austalian wife's perspective on things) is that if you are willing to take a financial hit and invest in more expensive, environmentally friendly cars, you shouldn't get a carrot for it. Instead you may have to add extra roadtax in the close future because we obviously don't fuel up our cars with diesel or petrol. Instead of promoting the use of EV, politicians seem to be adamant to put obstacles for the EV market.
The hostility has mostly been at Federal level and it is pathetic. I shake my head more in dismay and pity for their troglodytic ignorance rather than in anger.

My posting history will show I am very left-wing but I am generally not in favour of rebates and cash discounts for EVs. Certainly not for expensive EVs or for people who already have plenty of money (like myself). If there’s going to be subsidies and concessions, they should be means-tested and targeted at the low end of vehicles not high end. We need more EVs purchased in Blacktown and Lakemba, not Mosman and Woollahra (where they will be purchased anyway).

I’m actually pretty OK with the NSW incentive package. The rebates are not means-tested but limited to the first 25,000 vehicles so does create a demand pull, which has its place in ‘normalising’ EVs by giving them better social visibility. After that, the trade off of no stamp duty for a RUC is pretty smart since it substantially lowers the up-front price while acknowledging that driving does have a social cost even when electric (urban sprawl, traffic congestion, resources use) so it’s reasonable in my view to charge people for that in proportion to how much they drive.

And you guys have so much solar it is insane. I see panels on every house where I live.
Australia has the world’s highest adoption in terms of perentage of dwellings with rooftop solar. In 2019 it was 22.1% so I expect it has risen a lot since then, so I should refresh my stats. In 2019 I did a national analysis which produced percentage adoption by local government area. Adoption was highest in regional and remote areas and fringe metro and the lowest adoption was in the wealthy inner-city suburbs of Sydney and Melbourne.

In NSW in 2019, the highest adoption of rooftop solar was in Coonamble (42.3% of dwellings) and the lowest was in Woollahra, the wealthiest LGA in Australia (2.1%). Nationally, the LGA with the highest adoption was Somerset in QLD (48.5%). QLD also had the highest adoption overall (33.7%) and, perhaps unsurprisingly, TAS had the lowest (15.0%).

So the narrative that solar rebates are an offensive example of the poor subsidising the rich (common on Sky News and certain right-wing commentators) is completely false. My analysis proved there was an extremely strong and negative correlation between median household income and rooftop solar adoption - the wealthier the suburb, the lower the adoption of rooftop solar. Turns out that solar rebates are one of the most beautiful examples of “socialist” policies where the “rich” subsidise the “poor”!
 
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After that, the trade off of no stamp duty for a RUC is pretty smart since it substantially lowers the up-front price while acknowledging that driving does have a social cost even when electric (urban sprawl, traffic congestion, resources use) so it’s reasonable in my view to charge people for that in proportion to how much they drive.

I disagree. Firstly, why is it for EV only? Your argument would necessitate a RUC for all vehicles.

My argument is that roads are a common good and requirement for all of society and therefore should be paid through general revenue. People who say "I don't drive" still get their groceries from supermarkets which require the use of roads for trucks, staff and getting there in the first place. EVERYONE benefits from roads!

People from the country are supporting our society with farms and services in rural areas. Why should they be punished financially for accessing services that may not be available for hundreds of kms?

Sure, encourage and incentivise the use of public transport and car sharing / robotaxis / ubers etc.

How pay for the roads? If required, increase whatever other broad taxes are available.

Making every road a toll road is not the answer, IMO!
 
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I disagree. Firstly, why is it for EV only? Your argument would necessitate a RUC for all vehicles.
That will happen when 100% of vehicles are EVs.

Less facetiously, the RUC is replacing stamp duty on EVs In NSW. Other vehicles will continue to have stamp duty imposed.

A $70k EV in NSW incurs $2600 in stamp duty. A 2.5c/km RUC would cost someone who does 20,000km/year $500 p.a. So if they sell their car within 5 years (which is, I am led to believe, a common thing that some people do) they are ahead. If they also get the $3000 EV rebate, they are even further ahead. People who don’t drive a lot are further ahead again.

I will be interested to see how the Nats respond when more of their rural constituents buy EVs. I guess at the moment they don’t see an RUC for EVs as any kind of ‘threat’.
 
I disagree. Firstly, why is it for EV only? Your argument would necessitate a RUC for all vehicles.

My argument is that roads are a common good and requirement for all of society and therefore should be paid through general revenue. People who say "I don't drive" still get their groceries from supermarkets which require the use of roads for trucks, staff and getting there in the first place. EVERYONE benefits from roads!

People from the country are supporting our society with farms and services in rural areas. Why should they be punished financially for accessing services that may not be available for hundreds of kms?

Sure, encourage and incentivise the use of public transport and car sharing / robotaxis / ubers etc.

How pay for the roads? If required, increase whatever other broad taxes are available.

Making every road a toll road is not the answer, IMO!

indeed.
 
I think you both have good points. We need to lower the upfront costs of buying evs, so the RUC makes sense, but I think we need to tackle this as a nation, not state-by-state, and use consistent technology to provide a solution. The way Victoria has done this, charging Victorians for driving on other state’s roads, is ridiculous. I would say charge all vehicles RUC, and keep fuel taxes as pollution-justified to eliminate one difference between evs and fossil-fueled vehicles that will keep getting brought up as a reason not to switch.

I do believe in user pays as a principal, but it screws up other issues - that the less well off and rural dwellers need to drive further for work, so they are paying more tax. Maybe tax at different rates based on income tax code?

As a recently-confirmed Australian, I love this place, but the state vs federal shenanigans around things like this ‘does my nut in’ as they say.
 
keep fuel taxes as pollution-justified to eliminate one difference between evs and fossil-fueled vehicles that will keep getting brought up as a reason not to switch.

I do believe in user pays as a principal, but it screws up other issues - that the less well off and rural dwellers need to drive further for work, so they are paying more tax. Maybe tax at different rates based on income tax code?
unless you charge using guaranteed solar or green power you are creating polution, just elsewhere. This is especially the case in States using coal fired power. That coal power however is being diluted with renewables, and you can see your percentage of pollution within vostok’s excellent monthly summary of power mix within your state grid.

Rural drivers already pay more tax with the petrol tax. The more distance they drive the more petrol they use so the more tax they pay.
 
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All arguments regarding delivery in Q1 or not seem logical; the biggest uncertainty factor is the global supply chain and energy crisis in China and Europe; these will take time to recover from. Chip shortage will take until 2023 to ease.
The US website now shows April 2022 for MY delivery when ordered today.
I have a tax incentive to buy this financial year... will most likely settle for a M3 and buy the MY whenever available, and sell the M3.
 
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The way Victoria has done this, charging Victorians for driving on other state’s roads, is ridiculous.
On that note: the guys fighting this in court are still short of some funds; I am sure they welcome any support.
 
All arguments regarding delivery in Q1 or not seem logical; the biggest uncertainty factor is the global supply chain and energy crisis in China and Europe; these will take time to recover from. Chip shortage will take until 2023 to ease.
The US website now shows April 2022 for MY delivery when ordered today.
I have a tax incentive to buy this financial year... will most likely settle for a M3 and buy the MY whenever available, and sell the M3.
I’ve read multiple articles that state Tesla china have been asked to close for extended peiods to keep energy down. Seems coal is now now impacting EV.
 
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Continuing the discussion as to potential alternatives to Model Y… according to this NRMA review, the Mazda MX-30 Electric certainly isn’t.


Mazda have really been asleep if they think $65k + ORC for a car with 200km range, suicide doors and compromised interior space can compete.

That’s a nope.
 
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