@Nathanwhalan if you’re talking to Elon, can you ask him to get the towbars sorted as well please.
Yes, this! Model Y with towbar is what we are waiting for for the wifey.
Kids, dog, bike rack, perfect!
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@Nathanwhalan if you’re talking to Elon, can you ask him to get the towbars sorted as well please.
I'm going to go out on a limb & say that Vedaprime isn't making any comment about timing or political climate, but rather tooling. New seeds = new tooling. Perhaps new frame, perhaps new batteries, who knows? Of course, there'll never be confirmation from Vedaprime, so no matter what the outcome, one can always point to that prophetic tweet as being "correct".@Vedaprime has very good knowledge of all things Tesla but i have to doubt him on this occasion when speaking about the Y.
+1 Solid post@RareEarth and @Electric Mouse and others...
I feel you are all asking the wrong question: "When is Model Y coming", instead of "Why isn't Model Y coming anytime soon".
@Chuq
Planting a seedling or two doesn't make a forrest. Tesla has planted lots of seeds in many countries. Now they look where the trees are growing tall and want to plant a forrest. Is Australia really the most important place in the world to do this? Is the soil here the most fruitful? I beg to differ...
To make it clear, just because Tesla has certified their vehicles doesn't mean they have to deliver them the next day...The certification isn't even a drop in the ocean when comparing costs to distributing cars to the "wrong market at the wrong time".
Availability
USA
Tesla Model Y is one of the most popular EV cars and completely sold out until Q2/Q3. USA factories can't help EU or any other part of the world.
Hong Kong
All RHD model Y shipped recently from Shanghai are going to Hong Kong. It is close and it is a simple market to sell into.
Europe
The demand is incredible. All RHD cars being shipped from Shanghai from now on will go to UK for deliveries after X-mas. Shanghai's LHD will go to the rest of Europe. Shipping takes 45 days give or take + local distribution.
GigaBerlin. Although the factory is built, they are not allowed to produce cars. Government has an extended complaint period up until 22nd of Nov. Then it will take a week or two to settle the outcome and at worst case, demand Tesla to amend environmental aspects of the facility. So forget about cars being manufactured before X-mas.
Once opened in January, do you really think production will go up to 100% within a day? How about employment, training, safety checks, inductions, quality control and logistics. This will all mean further delays. You won't be seeing 1000+ cars Q1, Q2. And even if you did, that won't fill the shelves in Europe without help from Shanghai. In other words, Shanghai will be crucial for Q1 and Q2 for Europe.
Climate
USA
My home state Cali is leading the world in EV. I'm proud of that. Other states (Republican mostly LOL), are not as keen. I'm neither a democrat or a republican, but Biden's recent packages deals with the future infrastructure and environment. I applaud that someone has the guts to do something. And it is definitely on the side of EV. US has been struggling with a challenging mining culture that just doesn't want to break the cycle.
EUR
As you all know, EU is to ban ICE sales. It sends clear signals to present and future buyers to consider EV instead. This is where Model Y fits it perfectly as a SUV car for any family interested in buying a new car.
Tax incentives are still offered and will most likely take off further for buyers.
Tesla is making a small tax fortune based on emissions on selling EVs in Europe. This beats the cost of importing Shanghai cars.
So what about Australia
Unfortunately, the Australian government, can still not make a full turn to EVs. Depicting EVs as a threat to the Australian weekend earlier on has turned to a luke-warmish approach in the last days. The rest of the industrialised world has embraced the possibility of EVs. But what kind of signal does this send to consumers in Australia? When the leader of a country states that EVs are "a threat"?
Morrison was considering not even going to the Glasgow COP26 summit. Because Australia needs to sell coal, to protect jobs and industry. It is all about the money. Norway on the other hand, being the 13th biggest oil producing country (5 times what Australia produces, or roughly what the oil state Qatar and Australia produces combined) has taken the strategic decision almost a decade ago that they will invest in EV infrastructure. Today over 80% of new cars sold in Norway are EV, not to mention Scandinavia, Germany and the BENELUX countries.
In this forum you have many visionaries and early adopters seeing the light. Outside this forum in Australia, all my colleagues think I'm stupid for bying a M3. That is until they sit in it. Until they come to our house where I have everything solar and the car is charing for free. But it takes a lot of time to change sentiment. Now at least 5-6 of my friends swear they will never buy an ICE for city driving. However, less than 1% of cars in Australia are EVs and the market is not ready yet. This forum is, but not the market.
Please remember, the M3s that arrived in Australia has taken longer to sell than what Tesla expected. I have received over 10 phone calls (roughly 1-2 per month) trying to coerce me to get a second M3 instead of a MY within the last months. Do you think Tesla wants to ship over MY here to have it sitting in a parking lot for a few months? Or do you think they will ship it to Europe where they have already been ordered and are awaiting delivery. Where they get money on emission rights?
Unlike many of you here, I actually owned a Model Y (2020) for a few months before coming here. It is a fantastic car! Sure, it is quirky and it may take some time to realise that is the way forward for someone coming from ICE cars.
I don't want to condemn anyone to waiting, because that is exactly what we are doing as well. I would love to see MY come here Q1, but my inidication from the people I know says it won't happen. It would defy both logic and good business practice. Unless there is a parameter that none of us is aware of. Tesla has been known to surprise before.
If there is one thing that will kill the Australian sacred weekend, it won't be EVs. It will be that coal that Australia is burning and a government which believes it is the most important asset
Sorry for the lengthy post. This is the world as I understand it based on the information I have. If you want to get vocal - then get vocal among your friends, at your workplace and voice your opinion so that your representatives understands. Telling me I'm wrong won't make any difference whatsoever. I might very well be wrong. I would be very very happy if I am. But would you bet on it?
So what about Australia
Unfortunately, the Australian government, can still not make a full turn to EVs. Depicting EVs as a threat to the Australian weekend earlier on has turned to a luke-warmish approach in the last days. The rest of the industrialised world has embraced the possibility of EVs. But what kind of signal does this send to consumers in Australia? When the leader of a country states that EVs are "a threat"?
Morrison was considering not even going to the Glasgow COP26 summit. Because Australia needs to sell coal, to protect jobs and industry. It is all about the money. Norway on the other hand, being the 13th biggest oil producing country (5 times what Australia produces, or roughly what the oil state Qatar and Australia produces combined) has taken the strategic decision almost a decade ago that they will invest in EV infrastructure. Today over 80% of new cars sold in Norway are EV, not to mention Scandinavia, Germany and the BENELUX countries.
@Vedaprime has very good knowledge of all things Tesla but i have to doubt him on this occasion when speaking about the Y.
It doesnt make sense to certify a vehicle then wait 12 months to bring it to market. They could have just waited till March next year to begin certification. We are basically the only country without the Y now. It is available to order everywhere but Australia and NZ (and maybe 1 or 2 other Tesla markets). All signs point to at least orders opening soon.
I also recommend a group effort of tweeting at Tesla and Elon to show them how much we want the Y.
Yes if you are going to switch a line over to making RHD vehicles for UK, Hong Kong etc just keep it going a bit longer to churn out a few Aussie Y's.They surely have capacity to throw Australia a few 1000 Ys early next year??
Some of this isn't actually held in Australia. Angus did a deal with the US to hold some of our reserves there. Also accounting tricks are probably being used eg capacity held on tankers headed to Australia. So I suspect the actual number of days of reserve held in Australia is much lower.Oil reserves in Australia barely meet the 90 days for the International Energy Agency.
Any bets if the configurator will open for Australia today given we are now 1 month after UK orders opened?
Ah. Good point. I was basing it off Friday website changes +1 month. If not today, lets keep tabs on Monday as well. Theres still hope yet.15 November would be the day under that formula.
But I make no predictions!
I have been clicking religiously over the past several Thursday night into Friday's in the hope it would be released. I guess I'll be doin the same again this SUnday night going into Monday. Fingers crossed.Ah. Good point. I was basing it off Friday website changes +1 month. If not today, lets keep tabs on Monday as well. Theres still hope yet.
I wonder if this is due to the use of LFP?SR model Y becomes the Model Y and a 6.9s 0-100km
Quite gutted when I saw this [ 6.9s 0-100km ]