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I would have to disagree with your take on service being similar to any major brand. Dealerships make their money off parts and service so they work to retain service customers. I'd have to say between the lack of service centers compared to other brands, lack of replacement parts inventory and overall customer service, there's no way to say Tesla has equal service to other car brands.

Yup, one of the worst mistakes Elon has made (in my opinion) is trying to run service centers at a "break even" price point. Part of this is because the majority of Tesla's on the road are still under manufacturers warranty, so profit doesn't enter the picture, and if there isn't a profit motive, you get only a few service centers per state out here in fly over country and there is no motivation to get things done quickly. Part of this is due to lack of commonly needed repair parts / slow delivery times of parts needed by the service center. If I keep my car long enough to be out of warranty I pray that independent repair facilities will be available by then... but Tesla as a company is fighting against independent repair tooth and nail.

Keith
 
that’s not how hydroplaning works. its a function of tire width and tread shape, and weight of the car. Lighter cars on wide, smoother tires are more likely to hydproplane. Basic physics. The undercarriage of the car isn’t involve, nor is the water that splashes up.
Hydroplaning also depends on tire pressure/speed relationship. Speed in mph needs to be 9 times the square root of the tire pressure. Once you know this value, you can reduce your speed to below this value to prevent hydroplaning. Example: tire pressure 36. square root = 6. 6X9 = 54. Car will not hydroplane below 54 mph. It also needs a certain depth of water. From the quote above that lighter cars are more likely to hydroplane - lighter cars have less pressure in their tires and therefore hydroplane at slower speeds. Another poster mentioned the smooth underside of the car. That's not a factor in hydroplaning.
 
Anyone who has read my posts here (especially TACC / AP related) knows that I like to bitch and moan about things... but good lord!

Problem: Hydroplaning... Cause: worn out stock tires... Solution: buy new tires.
Problem: Wipers not clearing windshield... Cause: worn out stock wiper... Solution: buy new better than stock premium wipers.
Problem: Stiff suspension... Cause: 4,500 lb car with low cost performance suspension... Solution: buy new aftermarket comfort oriented suspension (they even have air suspension available!).
Problem: Smelly / non functional AC... Cause: I never had this so don't know... Solution: read the forum, I have seen numerous threads on both of these problems.
Problem: Passenger door not aligned... Cause: assembly problem... Solution: make a service center appointment.
Problem: Cabin wind noise Cause: poor sealing at doors or hatch... Solution: (in your case passenger door alignment) or add new foam seals, very inexpensive and easy to install.
Problem: car "yelling" at you... Cause: you have all the alerts turned on... Solution: turn them off. Unavoidable ones mitigated by Joe mode which I read about months before I purchased my car... not sure how anyone missed it.
Problem: Frozen door handles... Cause: Winter... Solution: Precondition on defrost mode (max heat on windows... there is a button in the app) for an hour before driving.
Problem: FSD... Cause: FSD doesn't really exist... Solution: Learn to distinguish PR from reality.
Problem:
You don't like the car... Cause: you didn't research the car before purchase... Solution: sell the car.

Keith
Us damn entitled millennials. AMIRITE.
 
Brett11, please report to Tesla at least the hydroplaning problem. I encountered a scary situation like that in my RWD Model S. Nothing like that thankfully in my AWD Model Y though. If Tesla has a problem with the vehicle stability control and traction control, they need to know about it immediately.

Other big issues should be reported too. Tesla is working to improve on these vehicles each year and you're driving an EV too which is a good thing. The annoyances can be worked out.
 
I started leasing a brand new 2020 Tesla Model Y in September 2020 (dual motor, long range version). After a year and a half, here is my experience with and opinion of this vehicle:

Honestly, I have grown to resent the car. There are many reasons that I will get into, but the main thing is that it is just soooo bumpy. Like I actually get a headache from driving it. I say driving but it's not the actual act of driving, rather just being in the car while it's moving as I'm pretty sure it's the same no matter where you are in the car. I honestly feel like I lose brain cells due to my head being rattled around. I am not exaggerating, it actually hurts my head, and is probably bad for the body too. This car will make you wince at every little crack and bump in the road.

I live in a large town, just outside a major metropolitan area. Most of my driving consists of town, suburbs, and highways, with a little city, so I'd say it's pretty reflective of the average U.S. consumer. I often travel for work, which has led to driving this car in a wide variety of roads/environments around the United States, and I've pretty much always felt the same.

On open highways, it sometimes feels like it's swaying and unsafe, especially on autopilot, even at just the speed limit, getting worse the faster you go. I even checked the weather once to see if it just happened to be really windy out, but the wind was only at 1 mph!

The windshield wiper jets don't seem to work properly, or maybe one of the jets came defective because the spray only hits a small section of the windshield and no matter how much is applied does not reach the full radius of both wipers. It's also such a weak mist that it has virtually no effect if I try to use it while moving and even when I'm stopped the mist/blade combo is not strong enough to actually remove any grime/residue that might be obstructing my view. And the wiper sensors don't react properly either, sometimes wiping when it's dry or not wiping when it's raining, so I have to manually control them which can actually be a little sketchy in heavy rain when you have to reach over and navigate through the touch screen. Especially because you really need to keep both hands on the wheel while driving this car in the rain, or even when it's wet out, because it handles so poorly in these conditions.

This leads me to the fact that I've started hydroplaning in this car in cases when I would have never expected to. Now I have to drive so slow if it's raining or wet out because the car just makes me feel so uneasy and unsafe, yet other cars have no problem handling it and fly right past me. It's not like I am a scaredy-cat either; I learned my lesson with this car the hard way: I was driving on a highway in heavy rain, going dead straight, treading very cautiously with both hands on the wheel, when a semi-truck passed me, and just the tire spray and/or wind from the truck was enough to push my flimsy Model Y off traction and the whole car started fish-tailing back and forth before spinning a rapid 180 off the road backwards. I got really lucky there was grass to the side, and I didn't hit anything besides a bump in the grass, but the steering and a bunch of other parts still got messed during the incident and it took a few weeks for the nearest Tesla service center to repair it. I had been driving super focused and aware, safe and slow, safety being my #1 goal and that STILL happened. I easily could have died.

I have driven many different vehicles throughout my life, ranging widely in size, cost, manufacturer, year, etc. and have never experienced such poor traction, such an uncomfortable ride, or many of the other issues I've had with this vehicle.

The autopilot technology isn't that good, it often SLAMS on the brake for a split second when it sees a shadow or a bridge, jerking you suddenly and unexpectedly and causing your heart to drop, since you weren't expecting anything because the road ahead is clear.

The passenger door is visibly not aligned properly and, as a result, causes a terrible sound when the door is shut and if someone shuts it even moderately hard the sound is so loud that it is literally painful on the ears.

The phone charging mat that comes built into the car does not work most of the time.

The Tesla phone app is horrible, slow.

I thought the cameras were designed to keep the car safe, after all it constantly beeps ("yells") at you, cutting off whatever you're listening to, often absolutely unwarranted (not even close to the car ahead of you, etc.), yet one time I was slowly backing out of a parking spot and the car totally just LET me bump into a concrete ledge with absolutely no warning or sensor.

And their customer service is awful. Can't get someone on the phone.

Autopilot is also incredibly annoying. It beeps at you relentlessly at times, wanting you to apply pressure to the wheel, but then sometimes requiring so much pressure that it then de-activates the autopilot because it thinks you are manually taking over. I was also super frustrated for a long time at the incredibly loud volume of all the beeps and chimes. I spent a lot of time/effort searching how to lower their volume before I finally had to put my question out there on a web forum where thankfully someone responded and informed me that the only way to turn them down was by activating "Joe Mode." Who would have ever known what that was? The car certainly doesn't tell you. After wasting so much time researching this problem , I read it is Elon Musk's way of being "funny" after a guy named Joe made a complaint about the chimes being too loud. Seriously what a jerk off move by Musk to leave all of his customers clueless as to what it means and not explain anywhere or have any description pop up when you toggle Joe Mode on/off.

Before one road trip, I paid for a monthly subscription for full self-driving capability. But literally nothing changed except I was able to change lanes using autopilot by putting the turn signal on. This was a standard feature on the 2015 Model S that I had before this, but now I paid $199/month, well $210.94 with tax just to be able to do that for 1 month. I paid for this subscription a few days before the trip, in case I needed to install an update or something, but nothing ever popped up on the screen or phone app. Then, over a week into the road trip, I got a notification that an update was available, when we no longer had access to wifi. After much effort and waiting on terribly slow hotel parking lot wifi, we finally got it downloaded, but still, absolutely no difference in the car's driving. The update didn't have anything to do with the purchase I made. The car did NOT get off exits for us or follow the navigation system as promised in the description of what we paid for.

This was the trip that my car lost control while driving straight in the rain, and my car had to be left at the nearest repair facility. Tesla provided Uber credits to get home, but failed to disclose that I could only use a certain amount per day so I was hit with a very large and unexpected charge when I got home. It took the service center a while to get my parts in, and the full self-driving capability subscription ended up renewing while the car was in service and not on my mind. I cancelled as soon as I noticed the charge, and I hadn't even gotten my car back and had proof that my car was being worked on by Tesla since halfway through the previous monthly subscription and I hadn't gotten it back or had it in my possession yet during this new subscription month, yet they refused to refund me for that accidental charge, or for the 1st month when practically nothing had even changed in my car's autopilot capability. $421.88 it cost me, plus all the time and energy trying to fight my case for a refund.

It also is really wack to me when companies have the ability to make certain basic functions available yet they withhold them and make you pay for it. Another example of this is that they could easily show traffic density on the map, but that's another thing they charge you for. This might not seem like a big deal until you drive straight into stand-still traffic on the highway when the car could have easily just shown you the dark red lines on the map so you could've avoided getting stuck in it. It's straight up disrespectful that they are OK with doing that to their customers.

'Traffic visualization' and 'lane change with turn signal' were features I was used to in my 2015 Model S that came with the vehicle. It was a surprise to me when I got my Model Y and they weren't included. The Model S also had smart air suspension so the drive wasn't as bad.

When the Model Y came out, it seemed like quite an upgrade given the longer range and more space. I thought that instead of all the separate packages, they just made one good new car. After looking into it more, and entering my trade-in info out of curiosity, they made me what I thought was a generous offer of paying off my Model S loan, giving me cash back, and my monthly payment going down in exchange for a 3 year lease on a 2020 Model Y (white because all other colors are an extra thousand bucks). That's how I ended up with this car. Online, the pictures made it look better, probably because of the angles they chose and it appears they may have even had specially tinted windows on the website model. At this point I really wouldn't put it past them. Upon delivery (they call it delivery, but really you are still picking it up from your nearest Tesla dealership) my first impression unfortunately was actually how ugly the front of the car is in person. Now I'm stuck cringing every time I look at it.

I dreamt of and saved up for years for a Tesla, visiting their website almost on a daily basis. A younger, more naive me thought they were the most ethical company, the end-all-be-all car manufacturer that would consider everything to transform the driving experience for the benefit of the consumer. I had some wild thoughts such as they'd even probably consider the healthiest seating posture for the driver. I soon realized how wrong I was, and that it's actually quite the opposite with the almost certain brain damage incurred while driving it.

And whatever happened to bioweapon defense mode? I learned about it before I purchased my 2015 Model S, and discovered to my dismay that it did not have it. Then again I hoped with my 2020 Model Y I would have it. Air quality is a very important issue to me as I live in a densely populated area with a lot of car traffic and I can often smell the car exhaust surrounding me on the roads and it makes me frustrated with our world. Air filtration in a car seemed like a dream come true yet so simple and logical. But NOPE! My car does not have bioweapon defense mode and it seemingly does not filter anything! Just the other day a car in front of me had visible smoke coming out of the exhaust and I had to drive through it and it came right into my car cabin immediately and smack dab in my face! It was no longer a dark visible smoke at that point but I could instantly smell it, sense it, and tell I was breathing it in, I swear even saw it faintly. That was a new experience.

Instead of the clean air I hoped it would provide, this car does quite the opposite (again). The A/C has an absolutely horrible smell, where I absolutely have to open the windows for at times. It is like a dry gas that I can feel choking my throat and sticking to my teeth. Horrific sounding right? The A/C doesn't even get cold either. And when the A/C isn't running, the cabin air is still awful. It's as if some bad fumes are being leaked from something inside the car, or maybe it just captures and traps in all of the pollution from the outside world and leaves it in there, concentrated, at my expense. The in-car air quality is so bad that I can't stand having the windows up and being locked in there and I often have to roll the windows down just to get some "fresh" air even while driving in nasty, heavy traffic surrounded by other gas-powered cars exhaust. If I drive through secluded woods, even for just a few seconds, no matter how cold it is outside I HAVE to open the window to get fresh air.

You might blame me for not knowing exactly what I was getting with my purchase, but their process is so annoying and difficult that by the time you're almost there you just want to get the deal done and over with. You'll know if you try. They trick you and make things complicated, unorganized, tedious, and unclear and, as mentioned before, it's nearly impossible to get ahold of anyone. They only are responsive when it involves taking your money.

I would like to make it known that I am completely and undoubtedly a staunch environmentalist. The only reason I am ok with sharing this negative press is because Tesla is off and running and an untamed beast now whose Model Y issues can be shared without harming the sustainable transportation movement. There is finally some competition in the EV market now too. I really hope that these Tesla Model Y issues can be resolved, and that other companies don't blindly follow in all of Tesla's design footsteps.

I have spread enough love for Tesla (mostly when I had my Model S) that my overall impact has still been by far a net gain for the manufacturer. I've spent countless hours answering peoples questions about my car, showing anyone whose interested how it works, spreading the word about the cost benefits, and helping to normalize driving an electric vehicle, completely introducing it to my friends and family as the first EV owner in both groups.

But I have been and will continue to be up front about the problems I've been confronted with over the last year and a half.

Supercharging was supposed to improve, but it has not. It is completely the same, and takes much longer than advertised.

The acoustics in the car aren't great, I can hardly hear someone on speakerphone while driving on the highway due to the lack of airtightness.

My girlfriend doesn't like riding in it and neither do I.

Perhaps my vehicle is just an anomaly amongst the 2020 Model Y's, but even that would further prove my point that Tesla has a lot of work to do, if their inconsistencies were this severe. But either way, it is important for me to get this information across, and online forums seemed like the most practical way of doing so. I may eventually supplement this post via different platforms for I truly believe some of these things need to be said and heard.

When I bought my first Tesla, they had forums on their website. I wanted to write and share on there, but they have been closed and made read-only.

Have you heard about the door handles? They really do freeze. I jammed my thumb trying to open the door and actually almost cut my hand during some icy weather this winter, and I'm not even in a location with too bad of winters.

And everyone always comments on the sound it makes while reversing. I PRAY that that is the sound it HAS to make, and that Tesla didn't add that dumb spaceship sound to be extra, because that would be stupid and embarrassing.

It has been a great hassle and inconvenience writing all of this. By no means did I ever WANT to do this. I simply feel it is my duty because I haven't heard or seen these things beings talked about really. I am thankful for forums as I have learned a lot of useful information from them over the years and I am happy to try to contribute back when I can. I really wish I had seen a post like this or learned about some of these things before I got myself into this lease.

I could not find any of your observations that I agree with. Plain weird!
 
Anyone who has read my posts here (especially TACC / AP related) knows that I like to bitch and moan about things... but good lord!

Problem: Hydroplaning... Cause: worn out stock tires... Solution: buy new tires.


Keith
Oh ok, so my stock 19'' tires with 5k miles I guess are worn out? Then followed by my 1k Micheline A/S 4's that I replaced were also "worn" out which both were hydroplaning going the same speed/route as my ICE car? Hydroplaning is not just due to worn out tires like your post suggest. As matter of fact, my ICE car's tires had 15k miles on it and drove fine.
 
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Oh ok, so my stock 19'' tires with 5k miles I guess are worn out? Then followed by my 1k Micheline A/S 4's that I replaced were also "worn" out which both were hydroplaning going the same speed/route as my ICE car? Hydroplaning is not just due to worn out tires like your post suggest. As matter of fact, my ICE car's tires had 15k miles on it and drove fine.
Not many people understand hydroplaning. I was required to study it and understand it for my job. It's all about speed and tire pressure, not the condition of the tires nor the electronics of your car. It's based in physics. No need to complain to Tesla - they hire some of the smartest people and would have a laugh at some of the comments here.
 
Not many people understand hydroplaning. I was required to study it and understand it for my job. It's all about speed and tire pressure, not the condition of the tires nor the electronics of your car. It's based in physics. No need to complain to Tesla - they hire some of the smartest people and would have a laugh at some of the comments here.
I wasn't saying anything about complaining to Tesla but did agree with the OP that this car and I've notice a few people throughout the forum in general have mentioned hydroplaning in this car. It's more prevailant in this car than other cars that I have owned.
 
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I wasn't saying anything about complaining to Tesla but did agree with the OP that this car and I've notice a few people throughout the forum in general have mentioned hydroplaning in this car. It's more prevailant in this car than other cars that I have owned.
Others did say they should complain to Tesla- not you. But if anyone finds more hydroplaning in their Tesla, it has to be because of differences in speed, tire pressure and water depth. Physics doesn't have a brand preference.
 
Man, reading that OP makes me raise my eyebrow and wonder why he bought a Model Y in the first place?

I'm so glad I love my Model Y and haven't experienced any of the negatives Brett talks about. My car seems to handle superbly in heavy rain? I turned on Joe Mode so the car's alerts aren't so loud. My wipers work great. My HVAC doesn't stink at all. I think Auto Pilot is awesome and it works incredibly well for me. I like how the suspension rides, though it is a tad firm and could be a bit softer. I checked all of my panel gaps and alignments before I signed off on the car, it was all good.

I'm glad I'm not Brett! :D
 
I wasn't saying anything about complaining to Tesla but did agree with the OP that this car and I've notice a few people throughout the forum in general have mentioned hydroplaning in this car. It's more prevailant in this car than other cars that I have owned.
Did the other cars you owned have wide tires on large diameter rims like the model Y? Both of these factors influence the size of the contact patch and also influence the possibility of hydroplaning. A heavy car on narrow tires is much less likely to hydroplane than a light weight car on wide tires. Our cars are heavy, but have wide tires for a passenger car.

If you drive at high speed in heavy rain, go to tire rack and look at tire reviews and purchase based on wet weather testing.

Keith
 
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Did the other cars you owned have wide tires on large diameter rims like the model Y? Both of these factors influence the size of the contact patch and also influence the possibility of hydroplaning. A heavy car on narrow tires is much less likely to hydroplane than a light weight car on wide tires. Our cars are heavy, but have wide tires for a passenger car.

If you drive at high speed in heavy rain, go to tire rack and look at tire reviews and purchase based on wet weather testing.

Keith
What you say may seem logical but the statements are absolutely not true. No matter the shape of the tire, what matters is the psi, your speed and depth of water. A heavy car on either wide or narrow tires will have the same square footage (square inches ?) of contact with the pavement. The load of the car (weight) say 4000 lbs, will result in 1000 lbs borne by each tire. Each tire will deform until pressure in the tire equals pressure on it. Lets say tire pressure is 100 psi (to make the math easy). 1000 lbs divided by 100 = 10. Ten square inches of contact with the pavement will result, no matter the width of the tire.
I don't blame you for believing what you wrote. It seems logical. But physics says you are mistaken.
 
What you say may seem logical but the statements are absolutely not true. No matter the shape of the tire, what matters is the psi, your speed and depth of water. A heavy car on either wide or narrow tires will have the same square footage (square inches ?) of contact with the pavement. The load of the car (weight) say 4000 lbs, will result in 1000 lbs borne by each tire. Each tire will deform until pressure in the tire equals pressure on it. Lets say tire pressure is 100 psi (to make the math easy). 1000 lbs divided by 100 = 10. Ten square inches of contact with the pavement will result, no matter the width of the tire.
I don't blame you for believing what you wrote. It seems logical. But physics says you are mistaken.
Narrow tire can improve the ability of vehicle to be driven when the roads are covered in deep snow.
 
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