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Tesla Motors suspected in trying to illegally defraud Danish government EV tax hike

Discussion in 'Belgium and the Netherlands' started by yobigd20, Nov 12, 2015.

  1. yobigd20

    yobigd20 Well-Known Member

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    Tesla Motors Inc (TSLA) Model S Suspected In Euro Tax Dodge

    Tesla Motors suspected in trying to register 2500 EVs before the tax hike goes into effect...

    from Denmark’s Minister for Taxation: “I’ve received message from the tax department, that 2500 luxury cars have been registered, likely from Tesla, and something indicates, this is a circumvention of the law of tax deduction of electric cars.” ... “Bulk buying cars with intent of selling them is illegal.” ... “It’s not possible to think that there are 2500 Danes, who have had this idea over a matter of a few weeks, but I think it’s fair to say this was done to partially circumvent the rules.”

    from the Minster's point of view what Tesla is trying to do is illegal. i don't know any other details other than whats in that article.

    other sources:

    Tesla accused of trying to circumvent Danish tax - The Local

    http://www.streetinsider.com/Insiders+Blog/Tesla+(TSLA)+Looks+to+Skirt+Danish+Tax+Hike+on+EVs+Next+Year/11063082.html
     
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    *yawn*

    That's my comment to this click bait.
     
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    yobigd20 Well-Known Member

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    how is it click bait if they are trying to illegally defraud the government?
     
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    AudubonB Mild-mannered Moderator Lord Vetinari*

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    Read the EU Update thread for more insight into this if you want to learn why 'click bait' probably is indeed the appropriate term. In fact, this thread belongs subsumed in that one, in my opinion.
     
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    What is the illegal act here? If Tesla registered 5 cars would that be ok?
     
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    Perhaps the story headline should read akin to "Backwards thinking, stone age era Danish Government policy forces EV manufacturers to pre register some vehicles"...:rolleyes:
     
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    Is anything on Seeking Alpha not click-bait? That's the only way they get paid.
     
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    Yeah, I'm not sure what was illegal here. I guess we'll see.
     
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    No concrete information and a vague array of numbers? Check.
    Comments section taken directly from the year 2011? Check.


    Why does anybody bother to read or link a seekingalpha article anymore...
     
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    preregistering cars that are not sold to circumvent tax law. uh yeah thats illegal.
     
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    Or may be someone in the Danish government forgot how to use a spreadsheet and has not accounted in their budget how to fund the ev incentives...
     
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    Absolutely nothing is confirmed in anyway, however, IF Tesla (or an EV at all) register 2500 cars, they have almost 2 months to deliver said cars legally. So there is zero substance to this article until the year expires. The author of the article can't even claim they were Tesla's. Maybe they were i3's. Who knows, but we all clicked on the article, so seekingalpha got paid.
     
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    let us say for instance there is no tax rate hike next year and Tesla did pre-register, or pre-buy the plates or whatever for 2000 cars. Would it still be illegal?
     
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    #16 stopcrazypp, Nov 12, 2015
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    That is the speculation. There is no evidence yet this happened or that it is illegal to pre-register cars in Denmark. Reading the article, Tesla had been doing something similar in multiple countries and suddenly because of a tax change this becomes illegal? I'm going to wait until the investigation is done before speculating that it is illegal.
     
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    Sounds like a non issue now. Buried in one of the stories:

    http://www.thelocal.dk/20151112/telsa-accused-of-costing-danish-people-billion-kroner-in-taxes
     
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    Is there any reason why this was posted in the ´Belgium and the Netherlands´ forum? It is true that there are some similarities between Denmark and The Netherlands (both are in Europe and are relatively flat) but they are two different countries and as far as I am aware we (the Netherlands guys) are not involved in any illegal circumvention of the Danish tax laws. On the contrary, I think there are a lot of Dutch Tesla owners who hope to sell their current Classic Model S to the Danish and order a new MS (or MX), so an additional 2500 new cars in Denmark could be quite an obstacle for our second hand market :wink:
     
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    #20 PaulusdB, Nov 12, 2015
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    Of course you're right, N.

    But all these countries are small neighbours of Germany, so a mistake is easily made. :)

    The real fun of this topic is that exactly the same thing that the Danish Tesla Motors representative is 'accused of' is common practice in The Netherlands.

    Certain taxes (income tax on private use of company car / bijtelling voor privégebruik) highly depend on the year that a car gets its plates. The rules can change dramatically year-to-year.
    E.g. this specific taxs almost doubles for a Peugeot 308 1.6 Diesel when it doesn't get its plates on 31-dec-2015, but on 1-jan-2016.

    I reserved such a car for February 2016 delivery to our company fleet, on the condition that the license plates have a 2015 date of issue.
    Peugeot facilitates this perfectly, their representative mentioned amounts of several thousand cars being handled this way by them.

    The case for a Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV is even stronger, this tax for this car more than triples towards 2017.
     

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