Tesla not providing 240 plug for mobile adapter?

[aasandsas]

Just give choices Tesla.... just choices when you put an order. I bet shipping across the coast would cost them like $6 to $8 ish. Save on shipping costs as well.

 

[StellarRat]

My M3 only came with a 240v 14-50 plug and a J1772 adaptor. There was no 120v adaptor/plug. But the 240v TMC they give you is a high performance system and I'm very pleased with the charging rate you can get out of the provided parts. My Leaf came with a 120v and it could only put 5 miles on per hour. My Tesla's default system puts 31 miles per hour on, that's a HUGE difference.

 

[Webeevdrivers]

Actually, Tesla is just moving towards industry standard practice, but they are still better.

All other EVs just give you a 12A capable, 120V EVSE for a regular household plug. Their portable EVSEs are not capable of charging at any higher rate, so you are pretty much forced to buy a $500 wall mount EVSE.

Tesla gives you a very capable portable EVSE that, with the correct $35 adapter, can be your primary charging equipment. And also used for destination charging. And it makes adapters for six different plug types.

Since many people never used their NEMA 14-50 adapter, it made sense for Tesla to stop wasting everyone's money and stop giving them something they don't need.

Leaf Eplus SL comes with 240 volt EVSE. 32 amp.

 

[StellarRat]

Leaf Eplus SL comes with 240 volt EVSE. 32 amp.

That's a big improvement over my original 2011 Leaf.

 

[Manitoba Keith]

Are you saying that the Tesla supplied EVSE works on 240 and 120 with just an adapter, the same as my Volt EVSE does?

 

[Webeevdrivers]

That's a big improvement over my original 2011 Leaf.

Yep. This only started this year with the Eplus I believe. Not 100 percent sure. The Eplus is a nice car. We have one on order. Arriving Feb 2020. Not a performer like the model 3 but a nice hatch back alternative.

 

[Big Earl]

Are you saying that the Tesla supplied EVSE works on 240 and 120 with just an adapter, the same as my Volt EVSE does?

Yes. It will work on anything from about 85 volts to 285 volts, if I remember correctly. It's only listed as working up to 240 volts, though, so take that for what it's worth.

 

[Manitoba Keith]

Do you know the current output? The Volt EVSE was max at 12 Amps but because it was 240, it charged twice as fast.

 

[DJVoorhees]

They got homelink included free too.

Model 3's dont even come with the iPhone and Android chargers anymore either - you have to buy them separate, the Tssla store has been out of stock for months.

 

[Cosmacelf]

Are you saying that the Tesla supplied EVSE works on 240 and 120 with just an adapter, the same as my Volt EVSE does?

Yes. The Tesla supplied EVSE (I just got one with my new Model X one week ago) has interchangeable adapters and can draw up to 240V, 32A. It is compatible with any of these Tesla supplied adapters:

Gen 2 NEMA Adapters

Unless I'm mistaken, and the Model 3 does something different (anyone bought a recent Model 3 want to chime in?).

I can understand why there is confusion. Tesla's own web site shows this product for $275:

Gen 2 Mobile Connector Bundle

Which states max charge output of 1.3 kW (ie 12A at 120V). But that looks identical to the regular unit with interchangeable adapters. And they also sell a corded version for a whopping $520, which makes no sense actually:

Corded Mobile Connector

I suspect this is typical Tesla store stupidity. Tesla's store has NEVER been run properly. Just 2 weeks ago I ordered four different Tesla adapters in the same order. All four came in separate independent FedEx deliveries.

 

[Cosmacelf]

Model 3's dont even come with the iPhone and Android chargers anymore either - you have to buy them separate, the Tssla store has been out of stock for months.

My new Model X didn't come with them either. They are probably just out of stock and not giving them to anyone right now.

 

[srs5694]

Just give choices Tesla.... just choices when you put an order. I bet shipping across the coast would cost them like $6 to $8 ish. Save on shipping costs as well.

The trouble is that customization is not free; to customize the plug(s) that ship with the Mobile Connector, the factory or delivery store would need to do unique things for each customer, which means extra items on a checklist (hence extra effort, which means extra pay), extra items to keep in stock, etc. Tesla has recently been doing some pretty brutal cost-cutting, including cutting back on customization options. Granted, customizing what's in the Mobile Connector bag at the delivery center would be much easier than supporting half a dozen hardware variants rather than just three, but it's still a cost-cutting measure.

Are you saying that the Tesla supplied EVSE works on 240 and 120 with just an adapter, the same as my Volt EVSE does?

The Tesla EVSE is superior to the GM one in this respect; Tesla's explicitly supports both 120v and 240v, with a variety of amperages up to 32A. The amperage limits are set via chips in the plug/cord/adapter; a 120v/12A plug comes with the kit, but several others are available for $35 each, and at least one third-party retailer sells a few more. See the Mobile Connector's page on Tesla's Web site for details. The Chevy Volt's EVSE, by contrast, officially supports only 120v/12A (and less; the amperage can be cut back to 8A by the car). It's only through a hackish adapter that, AFAIK, GM doesn't support that you can feed it 240v, and then it's stuck at just 12A. At least, that was true when I researched it, back in late 2016.

 

[srs5694]

Model 3's dont even come with the iPhone and Android chargers anymore either - you have to buy them separate, the Tssla store has been out of stock for months.

My new Model X didn't come with them either. They are probably just out of stock and not giving them to anyone right now.

Several people reported a few months ago that Tesla was no longer delivering the iPhone and USB-C cables with new Model 3s, and this was verified as a new cost-cutting measure at the time. I don't recall if the same omission was officially confirmed for the Model S and Model X, but it wouldn't surprise me if this change covered all Teslas, not just the Model 3.

 

[Big Earl]

Do you know the current output? The Volt EVSE was max at 12 Amps but because it was 240, it charged twice as fast.

32 amps.

 

[Manitoba Keith]

That is nice. 7.2 kw on a 40 amp breaker.
Thanks

 

[srs5694]

The Tesla EVSE is superior to the GM one in this respect; Tesla's explicitly supports both 120v and 240v, with a variety of amperages up to 32A. The amperage limits are set via chips in the plug/cord/adapter; a 120v/12A plug comes with the kit, but several others are available for $35 each, and at least one third-party retailer sells a few more. See the Mobile Connector's page on Tesla's Web site for details. The Chevy Volt's EVSE, by contrast, officially supports only 120v/12A (and less; the amperage can be cut back to 8A by the car). It's only through a hackish adapter that, AFAIK, GM doesn't support that you can feed it 240v, and then it's stuck at just 12A. At least, that was true when I researched it, back in late 2016.

For those interested in the technical details, here are some videos. First, here's one showing a variety of adapters/plugs for the Tesla Gen2 Mobile Connector, including cutting into one to show the circuit board that tells the EVSE how much amperage to offer to the car:

Second, here's one showing a teardown of the Tesla Gen2 Mobile Connector itself:

Finally, here's one showing how to construct the hackish adapter needed to run a Volt/Bolt EVSE on 240v:

As noted earlier, Tesla's EVSE is designed and marketed for this, whereas the GM EVSE, although many people say it's safe to run on 240v, is not sold for this purpose, so if you mess it up (or if GM changes suppliers or designs without telling anybody), serious problems could occur.

 

[Big Earl]

That is nice. 7.2 kw on a 40 amp breaker.
Thanks

Yeah, it gets the job done pretty well. A full charge on a long range Model 3 takes about 10 hours.