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ssgeorgesr

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Jan 7, 2015
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Millsboro, Delaware 19966
I started with a new 2013 MS. Traded for a 2016 MX P90D. Debating on the upgrade. Was told I had self driving. I do but it’s AutoPilot that will not upgrade to complete self driving. Already paid a bunch for what I was told is not. If I upgrade I see no real benefit for my purposes. I am 77 years old and even though I embrace the new technology I still want my AM/FM radio. So I paid a good amount for what I was told would eventually be complete self driving. Mine will not. Maybe I should get a credit instead of an opportunity to spend more money that, in my case, would give me less.
 

jelloslug

Active Member
Jul 21, 2015
4,655
5,983
Greenville, SC
I started with a new 2013 MS. Traded for a 2016 MX P90D. Debating on the upgrade. Was told I had self driving. I do but it’s AutoPilot that will not upgrade to complete self driving. Already paid a bunch for what I was told is not. If I upgrade I see no real benefit for my purposes. I am 77 years old and even though I embrace the new technology I still want my AM/FM radio. So I paid a good amount for what I was told would eventually be complete self driving. Mine will not. Maybe I should get a credit instead of an opportunity to spend more money that, in my case, would give me less.
Autopilot and the Infotainment computer are two different things. If you purchased FSD for your car, that will be upgraded independently.
 

thx1139

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Aug 1, 2014
796
1,465
Lemont, IL
Biggest issue for me is that they took away FM and to a lessor extent AM radio. Our Model 3 has at least AM radio. There are times when we have poor cellular connection and like to have access to radio. We also have some radio stations we listen to that no longer are on TuneIn.
 
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jelloslug

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Jul 21, 2015
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5,983
Greenville, SC
Biggest issue for me is that they took away FM and to a lessor extent AM radio. Our Model 3 has at least AM radio. There are times when we have poor cellular connection and like to have access to radio. We also have some radio stations we listen to that no longer are on TuneIn.
You don't have to do the upgrade...
 

arghx7

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Aug 6, 2019
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Michigan
uhh download a podcast for the 1% of the time you don't have signal for Tunein? Find a spotify playlist that has the same kind of music you listen to on terrestrial radio?
 

thx1139

Member
Aug 1, 2014
796
1,465
Lemont, IL
You don't have to do the upgrade...
I know that. I just find it puzzling.

Also for the download a podcast. Yes I know I have other choices, but sometimes like a live sporting event on AM isnt really replaced by a podcast. In Chicago one of the major sports radio stations no longer on TuneIn.
 

ohyis

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Mar 5, 2020
22
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LA
this is a tough one, i got in my friend model 3 and the display was sooooo smooth and responsive -- instantly felt jealous. Part of me wants to pay that but still not 100% sure i will pull the trigger... do we expect a similar display smoothens and response as if its a new car once we upgrade?
 

Nosken

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Jan 15, 2015
751
601
Lincoln, CA
I started with a new 2013 MS. Traded for a 2016 MX P90D. Debating on the upgrade. Was told I had self driving. I do but it’s AutoPilot that will not upgrade to complete self driving. Already paid a bunch for what I was told is not. If I upgrade I see no real benefit for my purposes. I am 77 years old and even though I embrace the new technology I still want my AM/FM radio. So I paid a good amount for what I was told would eventually be complete self driving. Mine will not. Maybe I should get a credit instead of an opportunity to spend more money that, in my case, would give me less.

If yours is an AP2 car built after late October 2016 (just like my Model S), indications are you can eventually (no time set yet) get FSD while keeping your MC1 with AM/FM Radio, with the FSD included AP3 computer upgrade. You might, but it is unlikely you would get the Sentry, Dashcam recording and the entertainment. Also, probably not the traffic cone visualization.
 

tranzndance

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Sep 10, 2017
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Bay Area
I find it interesting to read comments from those who stream from their phones. Here in Massachusetts, it is now illegal to even touch your phone when driving (of course that does not stop the hundreds of people I see looking at their phones while driving to work, but whatever). So how do you select music, and other content from your phone if you cannot legally touch the phone?

Removal of FM with this upgrade seems to me to be a cost savings move. MCU2 supports FM/XM and Tesla could easily include that tuner with this upgrade (and even add the XM antenna for an extra cost). Look, there are those who listen to FM a lot, and those who never even knew that their car had an FM receiver. But to remove functionality that could still be there seems to be a bad move IMHO.
The music would start as as soon as I got in the car. If not, I would start it before I drove. If I didn't want to listen to a song, I would hit the skip button on the car's steering wheel. Presumably, I like the songs I put on my playlist so "selecting" is not that big of an issue nor common task. If you didn't like a song while listening to FM, you'd just switch stations, right?
 

dgatwood

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Dec 20, 2017
752
822
Sunnyvale, ca
Removal of FM with this upgrade seems to me to be a cost savings move. MCU2 supports FM/XM and Tesla could easily include that tuner with this upgrade (and even add the XM antenna for an extra cost). Look, there are those who listen to FM a lot, and those who never even knew that their car had an FM receiver. But to remove functionality that could still be there seems to be a bad move IMHO.

Now that brings up an interesting question. I didn't realize some cars didn't come with XM. I wonder if folks with MCU1 who bought the premium sound system with XM will also lose their radios, or just the folks with the basic FM-only setup. I'm assuming that the XM-capable hardware is the same as the setup that they use with MCU2?
 

Beta V

Author, Dad, Mentor, Technology Critic
Nov 8, 2017
168
49
Redmond, WA USA
I have been on the Tesla page on Facebook and the consensus is that NOT reconnecting the FM radio tuner when the upgrades are done is just wrong in the extreme. It seems the hardware will remain in place (behind the steering wheel somewhere) but not connected to the new and "improved" infotainment system and that Tesla does not want to reconnect it because it takes too long. I feel betrayed.

I, like millions of others, listen to FM and FM-HD radio. It's not all I listen to, but over 80% of the time when I'm in the car. I have NO, zero, nada use for or desire for games when I'm parked. If I could, I would read mail or just listen to the FM radio. I'm not at all clear what they're going to do to my car next week when they do the upgrade, but you can be certain I'll have a long talk with the dealership service techs before I do. No, I don't want to pay for "premium" content that I neither need or want or will use--even when parked. I do look forward to having the promises my salesman made come true at long last. The ability to stop at stoplights, and stop signs. The ability to really autodrive safely--even on highways with traffic control.
 
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SalvorH

Member
Dec 22, 2019
16
2
USA
You might, but it is unlikely you would get the Sentry, Dashcam recording and the entertainment. Also, probably not the traffic cone visualization.

Green tweeted that when he upgraded his Model X to HW3 his MCU1 did traffic cone visualizations. I wonder if Tesla is deliberately disabling these new visualizations to encourage people to do the $2500 MCU2 upgrade?
 
I am considering the upgrade but not sure if I need it right away. My daily commute is just 1.9mi (6min) with level2 charge options at both locations. The only time I spend in the car is when I visit the SC at Lynnfield, MA but then too am on my phone.

I wish Tesla would install a widescreen TV behind the driver sun visor so that I can stream Netflix from my phone.
 

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