qdeathstar
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Is Tesla's FSD really that functional and fail safe that it will meet SAE's Level 5 definition?
no but it doesn’t have to to provide real value. Level 3 is still pretty good.
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Is Tesla's FSD really that functional and fail safe that it will meet SAE's Level 5 definition?
Well that is the absolute worse thing Tesla could do in the hopes of selling FSD to those owners. I have pre-paid for FSD 3 times now and would not pre-pay for it again if I was ordering a new car today!!!!!
no but it doesn’t have to to provide real value. Level 3 is still pretty good.
Pity about the whole "still on level 2" thing then, eh?
i disagree. The beta fsd is surely level 3 and should be wide released by April baring some sort of disaster.
You are describing level 4... human intervention would still be common at level 3.I don't know how you can count something where you need to keep your hand on the wheel and pay attention to the road as level 3. Level 3 means the driver must be available to take over ON REQUEST, not preemptively stop the car from doing dumb crap.
You are describing level 4... human intervention would still be common at level 3.
You are describing level 4... human intervention would still be common at level 3.
I doubt a wide release by April - assuming you mean General Availabiility - not available to everyone in Early Access.i disagree. The beta fsd is surely level 3 and should be wide released by April baring some sort of disaster.
incorrect. Level 3 is where the user can go inattentive but is expected to be available to respond to requests from the system and take over.
notably, Waymo decided to skip level 3 because their conclusion was that humans aren't good enough at context switching to be able to do this safely.
Level 3: Environment detection
Able to detect the environment around them, level 3 vehicles contain the lowest-tier system that is classified as an automated driving system as opposed to a manual system. With this more advanced technology, level 3 vehicles can make informed decisions for themselves such as overtaking slower moving vehicles. However, unlike the higher rated autonomous vehicles, human override is required when the machine is unable to execute the task at hand or the system fails.
Lubestaff said:Level 3 pertains to autonomous systems that expect intervention upon request.
"Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me"
…what's the saying for "fool me thrice"?
That's a particularly vague definition, indistinct from Level 2. What's the source?
Automated Vehicles for Safety
SAE J3016 automated-driving graphic
Self-driving car - Wikipedia
The websites above all match my previous comment.
From the wiki
The driver can safely turn their attention away from the driving tasks, e.g. the driver can text or watch a movie. The vehicle will handle situations that call for an immediate response, like emergency braking. The driver must still be prepared to intervene within some limited time, specified by the manufacturer,
I’d argue that in most cases this is totally possible. While the Tesla is keeping its lane it satisfies the first couple of lines. It’s just that the manufacturer specifies the time attention can be diverted as zero. But certainly attention can be averted. I routinely drive hours at a time without having to intervene in the system that is available now. I could totally watch a movie during those times, but the manufacturer has specified that I need to be attentive.
...and as a result, it's a level 2 system. Once tesla says we don't need to pay attention and keep our hands on the wheel, then it's classifiable as level 3 because the primary responsibility is no longer ours.
so like I said: the current FSD beta is level 2.
no. That’s not what the definition says. The ability to and the manufacturer saying you can are two different things. Both clearly aren’t required to be level three. The required reaction time is specifics by the manufacturer and there is no lower level for that. So while you can turn your attention away, Tesla says you may not.
Do you even English class bro
qdeathstar said:The driver can safely turn their attention away from the driving tasks ... argue that in most cases this is totally possible
qdeathstar said:...but the manufacturer has specified that I need to be attentive.
qdeathstar said:I’d argue that in most cases this is totally possible. While the Tesla is keeping its lane it satisfies the first couple of lines. It’s just that the manufacturer specifies the time attention can be diverted as zero.