Tesla Product Announcement at noon

[sorka]

Any indication if they will offer the upgrade to p85d ludicrous owners?

You'd almost be better off selling and buying new (especially before the $7500 credit expires).

 

[808?]

The press release makes this sound like you can only get a 100kWH pack in a ludicrous trim model?

Correct.

 

[Canuck]

Anyone else notice that AP is now $3K in Model S design studio?

Wow good catch. So they up'ed the price the sneaky bastards!
Also the premium upgrade is up from $3000 to $3500 but now includes cooled seats.

But maybe AP now includes new hardware to account for the price increase? I doubt we'll see an AP2.0 announcement and this seems the perfect time to make the addition.

 

[alseTrick]

Anyone else notice that AP is now $3K in Model S design studio?

On both the S and X.

I guess to cover the cost of the extra sensors.

 

[ohmman]

I sort of understand the motivation to write this but it seems unnecessary. Cars this fast are expensive. No apology required.

I agree, but Tesla continues to fight the "toys for the rich" argument. It's worth reminding people who are tempted to say "An even faster expensive car? What about my Model 3?"

 

[Stasla]

They removed the P90DL

Now its:
60
60D
75
75D
90D
P90D
P100DL

Yeah, but shop.teslamotors.com still has the Luda upgrade for $10k for the frugal millionaires who don't want P100DL and are insistent on P90DL

 

[rolosrevenge]

Guys, can everyone, please, please, PLEASE use the proper abbreviation for units. kilowatt-hour is abbreviated kWh. These are standard, SI units. KWH is wrong. KwH is unbelievably wrong. kWh. That is the unit. There is no other abbreviation.

 

[AZ Desert Driver]

Very interesiting that the 100 kWh pack does not involve n improved chemistry. That tells me two things:

1. Tesla/Panasonic isn't as far along chemistry-wise as hoped.
2. The new pack should be *very* interesting to dismantle. Someone needs to do this ASAP.

Also an interesting thing: The Model S is now not only the longest range BEV, but it *also* has a longer range than all the hydrogen vehicles for sale today!

Would that be ALL the H2, the sum of every one ever produced? or just the sum of those for sale?

 

[Max*]

Guys, can everyone, please, please, PLEASE use the proper abbreviation for units. kilowatt-hour is abbreviated kWh. These are standard, SI units. KWH is wrong. KwH is unbelievably wrong. kWh. That is the unit. There is no other abbreviation.

Got it, so 100KWhs!

 

[sorka]

Elon did say that packs will be upgradeable from the 85s to future larger packs. So I'm assuming that it will be possible to go to a 100 pack. But, it may not be possible to convert a P85DL to a true P100DL. It's possible that there were upgrades in the motors/inverters/motor wiring at some point in the P85D to P90D transition that allow P90DLs to handle the extra P100DL current, above what the P85D / P85DL systems can handle.

Then Tesla will have lied even by their own standards. According to them, the motors in the P85D are rated to handle enough power to produce 691 hp at the motor shaft which is about 775 hp at the battery. The current P85D ludicrous is speced at 532 hp at the motor shafts based on the upgraded 1500 amp 85 battery.

 

[Stasla]

Guys, can everyone, please, please, PLEASE use the proper abbreviation for units. kilowatt-hour is abbreviated kWh. These are standard, SI units. KWH is wrong. KwH is unbelievably wrong. kWh. That is the unit. There is no other abbreviation.

Javol, Herr grammar oberstgruppenfűrer!

 

[sandpiper]

IIRC part of P90D -> P90DL retrofit announced last summer was an inconel contactor and I would assume associated wiring to handle the extra current.

Not a valid assumption. The 1500 amp pyrotechnically fused contactor is inside the pack, and so would certainly be changed with the pack. But it's possible that the P85D external wiring, inverter and motor (originally designed for the 1300 amps that the original P85D pack could theoretically deliver before fuse trip) can't handle additional P100D current loads. This is just speculation of course but the fact that they specifically mentioned upgrading P90D, and not P85D points that direction.

 

[alseTrick]

The chemistry has nothing to do with the change in format. The format really only defines the amount of active material you can carry per cell. Not how potent the active material actually is.

My estimates for the Model 3 pack capacity was based on the 100 KWh pack only being due to an improved chemistry. Now, not only may we need to assume a lower energy density for the cells, but they've also managed to squeeze out 10% improvement on the pack architecture. I wasn't expecting that kind of improvement at all. And it *really* makes it hard to make a good estimate. The question is if the improvements are transferable to the Model 3, or whether it's not workable with the 21-70s. Someone needs to dismantle a 100 kWh pack soon.

Regardless of all that, none of it suggests Tesla is "behind" on the new cell chemistry, since the new chemistry wasn't going to be mass produced until the Gigafactory was already up and running, which we've already known for awhile now.

 

[Chulio]

Javol, Herr grammar oberstgruppenfűrer!

*Jawoll. Its called Jawoll xD

 

[ohmman]

Guys, can everyone, please, please, PLEASE use the proper abbreviation for units. kilowatt-hour is abbreviated kWh. These are standard, SI units. KWH is wrong. KwH is unbelievably wrong. kWh. That is the unit. There is no other abbreviation.

Correct, because it's spelled kelo-Winkler-halves. Winkler is a proper noun.

 

[DIL]

The big news here is that the MS gets the new style VENTILATED seats from the MX!

 

[alseTrick]

Wow good catch. So they up'ed the price the sneaky bastards!
Also the premium upgrade is up from $3000 to $3500 but now includes cooled seats.

Ventilated seats, not "cooled" seats.

And ventilated seats will only be on the Model S Performance models. Lame.

 

[Stasla]

*Jawoll. Its called Jawoll xD

Enchuldigung, I speak onle kleine Deutsche no spell gut

 

[Sir Guacamolaf]

Ventilated seats, not "cooled" seats.
And ventilated seats will only be on the Model S Performance models. Lame.

Are you sure? The design studio doesn't seem to indicate that (I can select premium package on a 60, and the wording does say ventilated seats)

.. scratch that .. you might be right! Wow, so everyone pays $3500, but only the performance people get ventilated seats. That def. sucks for the new orders (basically you pay an extra $500 for nothing).

 

[sandpiper]

Then Tesla will have lied even by their own standards. According to them, the motors in the P85D are rated to handle enough power to produce 691 hp at the motor shaft which is about 775 hp at the battery. The current P85D ludicrous is speced at 532 hp at the motor shafts based on the upgraded 1500 amp 85 battery.

Potentially that's so. But I wouldn't be putting any money down on that. I suspect that the P85D omission was not accidental.