sorka
Well-Known Member
Any indication if they will offer the upgrade to p85d ludicrous owners?
You'd almost be better off selling and buying new (especially before the $7500 credit expires).
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Any indication if they will offer the upgrade to p85d ludicrous owners?
The press release makes this sound like you can only get a 100kWH pack in a ludicrous trim model?
Anyone else notice that AP is now $3K in Model S design studio?
Wow good catch. So they up'ed the price the sneaky bastards!
Also the premium upgrade is up from $3000 to $3500 but now includes cooled seats.
Anyone else notice that AP is now $3K in Model S design studio?
I agree, but Tesla continues to fight the "toys for the rich" argument. It's worth reminding people who are tempted to say "An even faster expensive car? What about my Model 3?"I sort of understand the motivation to write this but it seems unnecessary. Cars this fast are expensive. No apology required.
They removed the P90DL
Now its:
60
60D
75
75D
90D
P90D
P100DL
Would that be ALL the H2, the sum of every one ever produced? or just the sum of those for sale?Very interesiting that the 100 kWh pack does not involve n improved chemistry. That tells me two things:
1. Tesla/Panasonic isn't as far along chemistry-wise as hoped.
2. The new pack should be *very* interesting to dismantle. Someone needs to do this ASAP.
Also an interesting thing: The Model S is now not only the longest range BEV, but it *also* has a longer range than all the hydrogen vehicles for sale today!
Got it, so 100KWhs!Guys, can everyone, please, please, PLEASE use the proper abbreviation for units. kilowatt-hour is abbreviated kWh. These are standard, SI units. KWH is wrong. KwH is unbelievably wrong. kWh. That is the unit. There is no other abbreviation.
Elon did say that packs will be upgradeable from the 85s to future larger packs. So I'm assuming that it will be possible to go to a 100 pack. But, it may not be possible to convert a P85DL to a true P100DL. It's possible that there were upgrades in the motors/inverters/motor wiring at some point in the P85D to P90D transition that allow P90DLs to handle the extra P100DL current, above what the P85D / P85DL systems can handle.
Javol, Herr grammar oberstgruppenfűrer!Guys, can everyone, please, please, PLEASE use the proper abbreviation for units. kilowatt-hour is abbreviated kWh. These are standard, SI units. KWH is wrong. KwH is unbelievably wrong. kWh. That is the unit. There is no other abbreviation.
IIRC part of P90D -> P90DL retrofit announced last summer was an inconel contactor and I would assume associated wiring to handle the extra current.
The chemistry has nothing to do with the change in format. The format really only defines the amount of active material you can carry per cell. Not how potent the active material actually is.
My estimates for the Model 3 pack capacity was based on the 100 KWh pack only being due to an improved chemistry. Now, not only may we need to assume a lower energy density for the cells, but they've also managed to squeeze out 10% improvement on the pack architecture. I wasn't expecting that kind of improvement at all. And it *really* makes it hard to make a good estimate. The question is if the improvements are transferable to the Model 3, or whether it's not workable with the 21-70s. Someone needs to dismantle a 100 kWh pack soon.
*Jawoll. Its called Jawoll xDJavol, Herr grammar oberstgruppenfűrer!
Correct, because it's spelled kelo-Winkler-halves. Winkler is a proper noun.Guys, can everyone, please, please, PLEASE use the proper abbreviation for units. kilowatt-hour is abbreviated kWh. These are standard, SI units. KWH is wrong. KwH is unbelievably wrong. kWh. That is the unit. There is no other abbreviation.
Wow good catch. So they up'ed the price the sneaky bastards!
Also the premium upgrade is up from $3000 to $3500 but now includes cooled seats.
Enchuldigung, I speak onle kleine Deutsche no spell gut*Jawoll. Its called Jawoll xD
Ventilated seats, not "cooled" seats.
And ventilated seats will only be on the Model S Performance models. Lame.
Then Tesla will have lied even by their own standards. According to them, the motors in the P85D are rated to handle enough power to produce 691 hp at the motor shaft which is about 775 hp at the battery. The current P85D ludicrous is speced at 532 hp at the motor shafts based on the upgraded 1500 amp 85 battery.