TMC is an independent, primarily volunteer organization that relies on ad revenue to cover its operating costs. Please consider whitelisting TMC on your ad blocker and becoming a Supporting Member. For more info: Support TMC

Tesla provided Cellular Data Plan - Free forever?

Discussion in 'Model S' started by NOLA_Mike, Dec 1, 2016.

  1. NOLA_Mike

    NOLA_Mike Grouchy

    Joined:
    May 11, 2013
    Messages:
    2,030
    Location:
    Hammond, LA
    With the recent announcement of "Unlimited Supercharging for free" ending and details of the upcoming program expected to be announced before year's end I have to wonder if/when Tesla will take the opportunity to announce an end to unlimited free cellular data.

    From memory, when Tesla was questioned a few years ago about the terms of the unlimited cellular data they provided to Model S owners their response was it would be free for the first four years of ownership. I haven't heard anything about this for a long time. Some Model Ss have been in service for over 4 years now.

    I imagine some basic connectivity will be maintained by Tesla regardless of whether an owner elects to purchase a data plan to allow Tesla to retrieve logs and diagnostics and send firmware updates. But I could also imagine where, without a plan or WiFi connectivity a user would no longer get web browser access, map updates, streaming radio, etc.

    Anybody heard anything regarding this lately?

    Mike
     
  2. Todd Burch

    Todd Burch Electron Pilot

    Joined:
    Nov 3, 2009
    Messages:
    4,888
    Location:
    Smithfield, VA
    My current thinking, with Tesla working toward Level 5 autonomy and network connectivity being very important in that goal, that they might continue to cover connectivity costs. I'd think they would say something about it coming soon prior to the Model 3 release however.
     
    • Like x 2
    • Helpful x 1
  3. number12

    number12 Active Member

    Joined:
    Aug 16, 2016
    Messages:
    1,181
    Location:
    Tesla
    They will just make browser worse and worse so no one uses data except on wifi at home for ota updates..
     
  4. jrreno

    jrreno Nothin' left to do but smile, smile, smile

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2013
    Messages:
    779
    Location:
    Sarasota , Florida
    When I have lost the cell connection , I have also lost the map display. I think the map depends on data updates from the cell connection.
     
  5. JClu

    JClu Member

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2016
    Messages:
    136
    Location:
    Chicago
    I can hardly browse anything on the web browser right now anyway, it doesn't really matter if I have unlimited cellular data. The browser is so slow they ought to do an update on that.

    Although, because it's so slow, I suppose the lack of speed causes less distraction when I'm driving. :rolleyes:
     
    • Like x 1
  6. NOLA_Mike

    NOLA_Mike Grouchy

    Joined:
    May 11, 2013
    Messages:
    2,030
    Location:
    Hammond, LA
    #6 NOLA_Mike, Dec 1, 2016
    Last edited: Dec 1, 2016
    I believe Elon has recently tweeted that the "core" OS on the user interface would be updated in December and with that update would come a more responsive browser?

    EDIT: Found the tweet I was thinking of:

    Screenshot 2016-12-01 08.18.25.png
     
  7. hollywood

    hollywood Member

    Joined:
    Sep 25, 2016
    Messages:
    173
    Location:
    USA
    I believe it's seven years of coverage per the Tesla sales rep
     
  8. ChadS

    ChadS Petroleum is for sissies

    Joined:
    Jul 16, 2009
    Messages:
    2,542
    My wife's Model S is over 4 years old, and we are still getting free data.

    I seem to recall the initial deal for Signature cars was a free year. Then after a year had passed, I think they said four years free for everyone.
     
    • Like x 1
  9. Max*

    Max* Autopilot != Autonomous

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2015
    Messages:
    6,020
    Location:
    NoVa
    He didn't say which December ;)
     
    • Like x 2
    • Funny x 2
  10. hingisfan

    hingisfan hingisfan_Mark_V

    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2013
    Messages:
    978
    Location:
    Kingston, Ontario
    As long I have free music and maps I am happy!
     
    • Like x 1
  11. green1

    green1 Active Member

    Joined:
    Mar 25, 2014
    Messages:
    4,548
    Location:
    Calgary, Alberta, Canada
    Tesla said a couple of years ago (2014?) that the cellular plan for Model S/X were included for 4 years. They also said that for older vehicles the 4 years would start from the date of the announcement, not from the purchase date. As such, no vehicle has yet hit the 4 year mark, so Tesla hasn't announced the pricing yet.

    We do not know what the pricing will be after the 4 years. But we do know that it won't continue to be free. I suspect people won't like it though, because they've started to put things in the OS to limit the ability to tether the car to wifi while driving, which tells me they're worried people will find their data plan too expensive and cheap out by getting a wifi hotspot from their cell provider for less money.
     
  12. Clomer

    Clomer Member

    Joined:
    May 21, 2014
    Messages:
    75
    Location:
    Colorado Springs
    I seem to recall that it was announced that all cars would get 4 years free. For cars delivered before January 1, 2014, that was the date the 4 years started. For cars delivered after then, the 4 years start on the date of delivery. If this still holds, then no car has yet hit the end of that term. What the pricing will be is anyone's guess, but I'd be surprised if it's more than $10/month, given that's how much it costs to add a tablet to an existing mobile account.
     
  13. green1

    green1 Active Member

    Joined:
    Mar 25, 2014
    Messages:
    4,548
    Location:
    Calgary, Alberta, Canada
    Considering the competition charges about 3 times that, and that Tesla have been modifying the software to try to prevent you from doing the "Add a tablet to your account" method... I'd say it will be more than $10/mo
     
  14. bmah

    bmah Obscure Member

    Joined:
    Mar 17, 2015
    Messages:
    1,085
    Location:
    Lafayette, CA
    The flip side is that Tesla might want to continue getting data from all the cars for AP fleet learning, so it might benefit them to maintain connectivity "for free".

    (It's also possible they could do that, but charge owners to enable access for maps, music, etc.)

    Bruce.
     
    • Like x 1
    • Disagree x 1
  15. green1

    green1 Active Member

    Joined:
    Mar 25, 2014
    Messages:
    4,548
    Location:
    Calgary, Alberta, Canada
    Well they've flat out said that's not happening, so we can go to the next idea...

    That's exactly what I expect. They'll still get the telemetry, but you won't get browser, maps, music, or app access unless you pay.
     
  16. bmah

    bmah Obscure Member

    Joined:
    Mar 17, 2015
    Messages:
    1,085
    Location:
    Lafayette, CA
    Guess we'll have to see. Personally the main thing I'd miss is "maps on the big screen", but I can live without everything else that requires cellular data connectivity. I'd be happy with tethering to my phone (I read your opinion on that upthread, no need to repeat). Not going to waste my time getting worked up over this until Tesla states/does something definite.

    It looks to me, by the way, that BMW uses a similar business model to what we have been discussing for their connected cars. On my wife's 330e, it appears that various services (remote access, telemetry, etc.) are "subscribed" for a period of about four years from purchase. I didn't see any information about pricing beyond that.

    Bruce.
     
  17. Max*

    Max* Autopilot != Autonomous

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2015
    Messages:
    6,020
    Location:
    NoVa
    Let's assume they charge you $30/month = $360/year.... or you can pay someone $250 to open the center console, swap in a SIM card of your preference, and pay $10/month. I'd go the latter option.
     
  18. green1

    green1 Active Member

    Joined:
    Mar 25, 2014
    Messages:
    4,548
    Location:
    Calgary, Alberta, Canada
    I would bet that swapping the SIM does you no good. They're not likely to disable the SIM, they'll instead disable having the car route any of your requests through it (that's how they'd get telemetry to still work without customer facing services working)
    You'd have to tether to get those services (so the car sees it as wifi) except that Tesla has already worked to block some of that while the car is in drive, and you'd also have to be willing to accept the risk that it does something like download a couple of gigs of data for a map update over your tether.
     
    • Disagree x 1
  19. Max*

    Max* Autopilot != Autonomous

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2015
    Messages:
    6,020
    Location:
    NoVa
    Who are we kidding? When's the last time Tesla pushed a maps update? lol

    But yes, in all seriousness, I do see your point.
     
  20. MP3Mike

    MP3Mike Active Member

    Joined:
    Feb 1, 2016
    Messages:
    3,357
    Location:
    Oregon
    That was a bug in 8.0 and I thought that they have already fixed it in later builds.

    They also support people using their own SIM. (At least in areas where they don't provide a cellular data plan.)
     
    • Like x 2

Share This Page