That explains it. I always thought it was unhealthy to fart in reverse!
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Tesla recalls the boom box feature
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"Violated the Law" C'mon Missy. The law is that "only the manufacturer can adjust it." And the manufacturer "adjusted it."
We all know that the new NHTSA administrator, jet-jockey Missy Cummings, at the NHTSA has a "case of the ass" for Musk, as expressed over the years. Professional parochialism and envy, I am sure.
Petty at best, jet-jockey ego and political points for sure. A genuine waste of our tax dollars.
Think about it. This issue could have been easily resolved with a phone call! And incorporated into the next update without all of the fluff.
And, yes, NHTSA needs to get with the times. This is a "Software Adjustment", not a "Recall". But of course, a "Recall" will appear much more unsightly in the press. Gotcha!
Tesla recalls over 500,000 U.S. vehicles to fix pedestrian warning sounds
Folks, a year ago we didn't even have this requirement and now millions of people are going to be at grave risk, because they can't hear this soft, indistinguishable sound from the front of your car. Give me a break, man!
sleepydoc
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Well, there was another recall because the seatbelt warning chime wouldn’t always sound if the driver ‘started’ the car and their seatbelt wasn’t on. It was listed as a ’safety issue’ because a driver might forget to put their seatbelt on! Seriously? It sounded more like a feature to me! I always wear my seatbelt, but the warning chime has nothing to do with me remembering.
BioSci
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Wow. I've owned my MS for 18 months now, and I never noticed that faint sound. Just like Boza said, I had to roll down the windows with the car in a quiet garage to hear it. THAT's what the NHTSA is worried that Boombox will cover up? It's barely noticeable.
Gpkarma
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Does anyone know what version has the removal for regular and beta branches ? Has it rolled out yet?
I think the problem is more complex than that. I would not be surprised if the type of sound EV make is/will be regulated so that pedestrians associate it with a car, not a dude with a boom box
Also, in general, manufacturers often bear liability for improper use of their product (e.g. some cute person decides to use silence to replace the default sound).Let’s not forget that regulators, by definition, try to cover the largest possible set of use cases (e.g. there are blind people on the streets) and that sometimes creates the impression of “stupid” regulations.
All this comes with the territory. When one pushes boundaries it is inevitable that they will sometimes step over the boundaries. It is actually a good thing because they force NHTSA to think about the future and the new challenges EV present.
Tesla could have fought that in court but they decided that they either could not win or it was not worth it. My expectation is that the recall is tactical - dealing quickly with the issue - and they will come up with something that satisfies the concerns in the future.
BTW: weather is it simple OTA update or the car has to be brought in, the legal term is “recall”. That is why they use it. There are many such terms that may sound irrelevant but they have a specific legal meaning. For example, hacking someone’s computer is still called “trespassing” although we all know that it is far away from walking on someone’s lawn.
We never had this in Europe, we have always had the “Boombox only works while stationary” restriction. It does make sense really, having consistent spaceship like sounds that are supposed to denote moving vehicles to pedestrians be obliterated by Knight Rider or an ice cream van does defeat the purpose of an important safety feature.
Tesla seems to have an abundance of caution when it comes to dealing with European regulations (UNECE), to the point where FSD features like Summon are seriously crippled over here, but in the States they seem to be more casual about them, and are prepared to test the limits of the restrictions, etc.
I kinda wish I could opt out of the UNECE restrictions on my car and absolve Tesla of any consequence explicitly, so I could have the same FSD (and beta) that you guys get, but I know it’s not that simple.
Tesla seems to have an abundance of caution when it comes to dealing with European regulations (UNECE), to the point where FSD features like Summon are seriously crippled over here, but in the States they seem to be more casual about them, and are prepared to test the limits of the restrictions, etc.
I kinda wish I could opt out of the UNECE restrictions on my car and absolve Tesla of any consequence explicitly, so I could have the same FSD (and beta) that you guys get, but I know it’s not that simple.
I must say, that I am encouraged by all the support I get here. There is a certain group of people seeemingky opposed to common sense here.
Reflections of society as it currently exists…
jerseygirl18
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danarcha
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Not sure why you think that isn't allowed. My wife has a Jeep Cherokee and the backup camera can be turned on and remain on while it's being driven forward.
Two corrections to the post you referenced. Missy Cummings isn't the head of NHTSA, she's just an advisor and it's been reported that she's not to be involved with matters related to Tesla
NHTSA Safety Advisor Dr. Mary “Missy” Cummings ordered to recuse herself from any matters relating to Tesla
The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) received a new Safety Advisor last year, Dr. Mary “Missy” Cummings. Cummings was appointed into the role by the Biden administration, after having worked as an engineering and […]
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I personally don't see adherence to driving laws and regulations as being an impediment against progress. In fact they are trying to protect Tesla. If crashes or injuries happen because of breaking existing regulations, Tesla could be liable to lawsuits. The NHTSA recommended recalls do reduce the risk of this happening.
Tesla is free to innovate, just keep it within the law. They know they aren't following the laws, it's right in their documents e.g. rolling stops, the NHTSA has no choice but to react.
Two corrections to the post you referenced. Missy Cummings isn't the head of NHTSA, she's just an advisor and it's been reported that she's not to be involved with matters related to Tesla
NHTSA Safety Advisor Dr. Mary “Missy” Cummings ordered to recuse herself from any matters relating to Tesla
The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) received a new Safety Advisor last year, Dr. Mary “Missy” Cummings. Cummings was appointed into the role by the Biden administration, after having worked as an engineering and […]
I personally don't see adherence to driving laws and regulations as being an impediment against progress. In fact they are trying to protect Tesla. If crashes or injuries happen because of breaking existing regulations, Tesla could be liable to lawsuits. The NHTSA recommended recalls do reduce the risk of this happening.
Tesla is free to innovate, just keep it within the law. They know they aren't following the laws, it's right in their documents e.g. rolling stops, the NHTSA has no choice but to react.
Spoilsport!
You’re right. It is primarily aimed at ADA (Americans w/ disabilities act) for the blind and disabled. They just don’t flat out say that because it’s discrimination even if it’s positive discrimination. But it’s the same as having those yellow bumps at crosswalks and having crosswalks beep or chirp.This rule is about protecting pedestrians and visually impaired persons from getting into an unfortunate and preventable accident. As many have pointed out, Tesla blithely pushed out a so-called feature that would have allowed people to record silence and broadcast that instead of the usual noise maker.
But of course, some types of people who don’t want to understand the logic or reason, lazily claim ‘this is all basically a NANNY state!’.
BTW, I also ride a bicycle. Sometimes when riding uphill, an older Tesla silently glides up to me, without me realizing until it is very close.
Source: I work with ADA Law
My dog and girlfriend hear me drive into my street level car port from our 3rd floor apartment. I have to reverse into my spot. It’s not that quiet.
I commend the ADA. The blind really respond to the orange and yellow.
Just trying to make the point that Elon Musk has made for quite some time. We have far too many rules and regulations. Can anyone out there tell me where the dumpster is for old rules and regulations?
The insecure just keep producing rule after rule and regulation after regulation, until we're regulated to death.
Excessive rules and regulations are for those people who lack common sense. Don't forget coffee must be labeled "HOT!" and if you are in the habit of crawling around under sinks, you could hit your head on the pipes.
If NHSTA is going to make a requirement for vehicles to emit a sound to warn pedestrians, then at least make it audible and perceptible, otherwise you're just adding to the countless library of worthless regulations.
My state instituted a requirement for all buildings to display a Red clover leaf signe with an F inside of it to demarcate for fireman, any building that has wood in it. Now what building doesn't have wood in it? What are you nuts?
Of course everyone had to scramble to the store to buy the signs, which were no longer available due to demand, or be non-compliance.
I am waiting for the one that says "P" for plastic.
Adds costs to indiduals and products and creates big salaries for regulators.
How did we ever survive in the 50's and 60's?
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Hope that’s sarcasm not being a dick. The color is for us. The bumps are for disabled persons. Also, orange is never used for ADA compliance. Only blue and yellow.
There are studies that show people respond to yellow with attention. The yellow for the other people like you.
sleepydoc
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Totally! I refuse to believe that this is not some conspiracy by the [rebulbicans/ democrats/ qanon/ antifa/ Illuminati/ big oil/ car makers/ insert_your_favorite_group_here] against Tesla and Elon Musk!Spoilsport!
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