Knightshade
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Please what?
If you get mad they won't make up a price difference 3 weeks later, but you'd be unwilling to make one up the other way 3 weeks later, you don't really have a valid reason to be upset.
Did you also get mad at legacy dealers after a purchase anytime they ran a sale? Or when you heard the guy who bought the same day you did negotiated better and paid less?
The car cost what it cost when you bought it.
Clearly you were ok paying that price, since you paid it.
What happens later to future buyers has no bearing on that transaction.
You're just a shill for Tesla. Right down to the "Legacy Dealers" quote. Don't bother me with your "reasoning".
Knightshade
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I'm sorry critical thinking upsets you so much and you confuse facts and basic logic for shilling.
You keep thinking you have some sort of sound basis to be upset, and keep failing to actually articulate or support that idea in any way, or refute any of the basic facts that make it clear you do not.
You're of course entitled be upset about anything you want. Just as others are entitled to point out when such upset is irrational. Like now.
ElectricIAC
Devil’s Advocate
We still have an active order despite picking up a MX 100D. Once we finally get word on when it will deliver we may still buy it and try it against my P3D. Who knows, maybe i'd keep it with it having range improvements against the 3.
Tesla's transparency gets them in trouble. Then again there have been anecdotal evidence here that people got better option pricing thru the right SAs here. That was part of the reason I bought a black SR. Can't get any better pricing than the base $35K
they increased it by $500 end of last year and then we lost the $1875 tax credit. So basically if you order your model 3 last Oct/Nov, it was cheaper.
ElectricIAC
Devil’s Advocate
Knightshade
Well-Known Member
Naah- SR+ was cheaper at launch than it is today.
Used to be $37,000 at launch, and you could get a $3750 tax rebate... so $33,250 net... plus $3000 for basic AP- so $36,250... (it later went up to $37,500, but that'd still be only $36,750 after the tax credit and buying basic AP for 3k).
Today same car (after "price drop") is $37,990.
Even better was if you were able to get one between April 12th and June 30th of 2019... that's when they made the price $39,500 and included basic AP...but you still got the $3750 tax credit, so $35,750 total with AP included.
Which I think most people would agree beats $37,990 for the same car... and certainly beats $35,000 for an SR with no AP.
ElectricIAC
Devil’s Advocate
Assuming you had the tax liability to take advantage of this, sure. Arguably someone who waited on the *almost base* model would be less likely to have had that added tax liability.
Knightshade
Well-Known Member
It seems unlikely a lot of folks wouldn't have had $3750 in tax liability when buying a new $35,000 car.
Even if you did find a few folks somehow spending MORE than 55-65% of their annual income on a car.... even then- every dollar of liability over $1500 (and I'm gonna be REALLY dubious -anybody- outside bizarre one-offs bought a 35k car with less liability than that) made it dollar for dollar cheaper than buying a new one today for those April->June buyers I mention.
55-65%? I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the average household income of a typical Tesla buyer is a lot higher than you think. I bet you a significant portion of buyers just cut a check at the time of purchase and wouldn't give a second thought about low single digit thousands in either direction. Just enter your bank routing and account number at the time of purchase on the handy form and voila.
But it sure is interesting watching a small number of people kvetch over it on the forums....(not really). Slow news week?
Best,
Indeed. Had I gone through with my SR+ purchase, it would have been significantly cheaper to me than it would be today. I didn't really want Autopilot anyway, both because I live in a low density environment where the $3k is poor value., and because Tesla has no dumb cruise fallback.
Knightshade
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I think you are misunderstanding my post.
I'm pointing out very FEW buyers would have income so low they don't have $3750 in tax liability.
Exactly the opposite of the point you appear to think I was making.
Maybe you mean to reply to the same guy I was replying to- who was saying the $3750 tax credit only mattered to those with enough tax liability to claim it?
ElectricIAC
Devil’s Advocate
Typical MS/X buyer =/= Typical 3/Y buyer. I'd bet money more folks will stretch their budget and or take long loans to buy the latter. -- folks who possibly wouldn't have had the tax liability even at the last gasp Q4 2019.
And yes, I'm aware that just because you take a loan doesn't mean you couldn't otherwise afford the car: This is my situation as money is/was/will continue to be cheaper to borrow and retain in securities where earnings eclipse the interest in a good auto loan.
And yes, I'm aware that just because you take a loan doesn't mean you couldn't otherwise afford the car: This is my situation as money is/was/will continue to be cheaper to borrow and retain in securities where earnings eclipse the interest in a good auto loan.
Knightshade
Well-Known Member
In general to not have $1875 in tax liability as a single person you'd need to be earning significantly less in a full year than the car cost.
Are there a lot of people making 25k a year buying $35,000 cars?
Even as a married couple only needs to earn between them about 43k, which mins standard deduction gets you about $1875 in tax liability.
Again are there tons of folks making barely over 40k buying $35,000 cars?
Average income for ALL new car buyers is about double that.
ElectricIAC
Devil’s Advocate
With tax, reg as a DP:
You could be in a 3SR+ ($38K) for under $600/mo at 2.99%/72mos. That’s actually very reasonable against any other comparable vehicle and still affordable for someone in the lower middle income range.
Has anyone contacted Tesla to confirm 1) the SR is still available 2) if the price is $33k or $35k?
Interesting; the M3 LR AWD with the FSD is actually $1,000 more expensive now than when I got it a few weeks ago because of the increased FSD cost.
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