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Tesla S 2022 FSD- Beta 2022.20.17 — 22 September 2022

Tesla S 2022 FSD- Beta 2022.20.17 — 22 September 2022

I’ve got several difficult test drives where I put my Tesla through some tough tests. I also use it on all my drives.

It’s significantly better than before, much smoother, more “sure”.

For me — Remaining Issues

FSD-Beta still does not recognize school zones or school busses as having extra right of ways or speed controls

It does not react to emergency vehicles any differently than any other cars.

It’s 50 / 50 on entering parking lots, ½ the time it slows down a lot (not enough imho) and ½ the time it maintains the speed of the road it turned from (35-40 mph). Once in the lot it sometimes finds it way, sometimes not.

It’s better with potholes and speed bumps.

It does not honor "No Right Turn on Red" signs nor turn only arrows on the road

If it sees 2 speed signs, one for trucks (45 mph) with the top one for cars (55 mph) it changes speed to 55 mph but then within a few seconds it changes to 45 mph.

It does not handle complex lane markings well, it still sometimes tries to turn into closed or restricted areas.

I still use extreme caution with unprotected left onto busy cross streets - it creeps great, waits patiently BUT it still, at times, makes the right move and begins the turn but then STOPS and I have to hit the go pedal

It does traffic circles much better; but, not yet perfectly all the time

It gets confused with on going road construction, signs, people with signs, lane markings, no lane markings, etc. So, I take over here.

It does not do one way bridges where there are no stop signs and cars are expected to take turns

It does not use turn signals very well, too slow and sometimes not at all

New behavior that was fixed and no longer works — when making a right onto a turning road with two exits, it seems to always take the first exit even if the route planner has indicated it will take the second, correct exit.

Not FSD Beta Issues

It still gets very confused around toll booths and keeps trying to move me out of the EZ pass lane

After toll booths where there are few if any lines it tends to just stop

Worth the $$ to me

All the bads aside, on long trips thé Bêta is wonderful. The ride is more relaxing and less tiring. You still need to pay close attention but you are not always turning the yoke or pushing or taking your foot off the “gas” to keep your place in traffic. It changes lanes safely without your intervention if you let it, safer than I do since it’s always “looking”.

I just completed a 7 hour round trip with just 1 disengagement.

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(Photo: Dirty Tesla on YouTube)
 
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gravastar

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My experience has been different. 10.69.2.2 (2022.20.17) has regressed slightly from ..2.1. Mainly with the ”Costanza Maneuver” (I explain later).

I have most of the same remaining issues as you. The late/never signal of intent to turn left or right baffles me. Seems like this would be a straight forward fix. But it’s been doing this since the 1st beta I’ve had.

One issue on your list I do not have is, as you describe it, “It does not honor […] turn only arrows on the road.” In fact, I’m impressed with how FSD handles that scenario. Example: there is a quirky intersection near my home where a single lane opens into two lanes right before an intersection. The left lane has a left-turn only marking. But FSD will not recognize it until after it has already chosen it as its course to follow navigation’s route straight thru the intersection.

In that scenario, instead of making another mistake by continuing straight from the left-turn only lane, the car will go ahead and perform the left turn. Afterwards, it will re-route to get back on its original course. I was surprised the 1st time it did that. Impressive.

The George Costanza Maneuver

I haven’t heard others talk about this. But I get it often. I call it the Costanza Maneuver because George once bragged to Elaine how he could make a left-turn from a right-hand lane. And a right-turn from a left-hand lane. This doesn’t happen 100% of the time. But the intersections in which it does make this mistake, it’s repeatable close to 100% of the time.

In fact, sometimes, despite being in the correct right-hand lane (with intent of making right-turn) it will sometimes make a late lane change to get into the left lane so it can make a right turn… from the left lane. Weird!

But, also like you, I would pay for FSD again if given the decision. It’s worth the money and, no pun intended, the way forward. I’m just thrilled to have it.
 
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...In fact, sometimes, despite being in the correct right-hand lane (with intent of making right-turn) it will sometimes make a late lane change to get into the left lane so it can make a right turn… from the left lane. Weird!

But, also like you, I would pay for FSD again if given the decision. It’s worth the money and, no pun intended, the way forward. I’m just thrilled to have it.
Incorrect lane turn happened to me today. It's possible that what you're describing is due to a similar event:

On the right hand lane for an upcoming right turn (two blocks away). Left blinker goes on to pass vehicle in front, Tesla moves left, and when it can't pass the vehicle that was in front, right blinker goes on. Tesla can't pass vehicle in time to make originally planned right hand turn. I took over for the rest of the drive

Seems like, at times, FSD can't think enough ahead to realize that the passing move due to a slower vehicle in front is unnecessary
 
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On 2 lane highways it will keep switching lanes constantly. It gets in right lane to "continue route" and left lane for "faster lane". It doesn't matter if destination is 100 miles away and the left lane will get me there too. Its so annoying I don't use FSD because the majority of uses is highway. It doesn't do this on interstate but I don't think its using FSD there its probably using autopilot. The phantom breaking happening every 15 mins is also terrible, I was just switched to Tesla vision so hopefully that ends it. seeing great improvements, long ways to go. I wish we could go complete hands free on interstate only thought that would be great!!
 
On 2 lane highways it will keep switching lanes constantly. It gets in right lane to "continue route" and left lane for "faster lane". It doesn't matter if destination is 100 miles away and the left lane will get me there too. Its so annoying I don't use FSD because the majority of uses is highway. It doesn't do this on interstate but I don't think its using FSD there its probably using autopilot. The phantom breaking happening every 15 mins is also terrible, I was just switched to Tesla vision so hopefully that ends it. seeing great improvements, long ways to go. I wish we could go complete hands free on interstate only thought that would be great!!
Have you set the car's speed to be higher than the normal flow of traffic? I find it only tries to get into the faster lane when your set speed is higher than the speed of the cars in the "slow" lane.
 
On 2 lane highways it will keep switching lanes constantly. It gets in right lane to "continue route" and left lane for "faster lane". It doesn't matter if destination is 100 miles away and the left lane will get me there too. Its so annoying I don't use FSD because the majority of uses is highway. It doesn't do this on interstate but I don't think its using FSD there its probably using autopilot. The phantom breaking happening every 15 mins is also terrible, I was just switched to Tesla vision so hopefully that ends it. seeing great improvements, long ways to go. I wish we could go complete hands free on interstate only thought that would be great!!
Go into settings, autopilot, navigate on autopilot, disable speed based lane changes.
 
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How about lane changing in an intersection. It did it twice to me today. First time it changed lanes just at the beginning of the intersection. Second time it changed lanes in the middle of the intersection. Different intersection both times and both straight roads.
There is no traffic law in California that says you can't change lanes in an intersection, contrary to popular belief. Not sure about other states.
 
Finally got my FSD beta, yesterday, after driving for over 5 months and maintaining between 97&98 safety score. Yes!!

Only driven locally and already seeing tons of improvement, able to FSD on roads previously unavailable, even drove on private road with no marking. I’ll be on a road trip this weekend, can’t wait to see how it performs.

Oh, there was a moment when FSD applied hard break and a quick backup (at least that’s what I felt) on a stop sign. Did anyone else experience this?
 

Robdizzle

2017 Model S 75D
Sep 21, 2022
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Where is my FSD Beta? I have a 2017 model S 2022.20.9 upgraded cameras computer and MCU. Maintaining 98 or higher score, over 100 miles of autopilot. I’ve been waiting and waiting for Mr musk to get his S$&t together. Sick of this Oprah give away crap. What about the people supporting Tesla longer than others? Anyone else with an older car on beta?
 

gravastar

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There is no traffic law in California that says you can't change lanes in an intersection, contrary to popular belief. Not sure about other states.
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Like many people, I errantly held this belief for many years. But I think you’re right — it IS LEGAL in every state (not just California) to change lanes in an intersection and within 100 ft of an intersection.
 
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Like many people, I errantly held this belief for many years. But I think you’re right — it IS LEGAL in every state (not just California) to change lanes in an intersection and within 100 ft of an intersection.
Never done it and never seen it done. Not because of the legality of the move, but because it seems dangerous and unexpected in the middle of an intersection
 

gravastar

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Never done it and never seen it done. Not because of the legality of the move, but because it seems dangerous and unexpected in the middle of an intersection
Only if there are other cars, right? There isn’t anything inherently dangerous about it. Legality doesn’t imply safety.
 
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Never done it and never seen it done. Not because of the legality of the move, but because it seems dangerous and unexpected in the middle of an intersection
If it's done unsafely, I agree. However, I've never seen my Tesla make an unsafe lane change. It always checks to make sure there is sufficient space, engages the turn signals, and if that space remains constant, changes lanes. If someone speeds up to close the gap, or someone changes lanes into the target lane, my Tesla aborts the change and looks for another opening.
 

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