Tesla Screen (Dangerous)

[blert]

The screen definitely took getting used to for me but after a month I'm now quite happy to use it for all of the common things like climate, satnav, wipers etc. whilst driving. Anything more complicated and I just wait until I'm either stopped or at least on AP if on the motorway.

After that initial period (which really only applies to people like me who are new to Tesla) I don't see how it's any worse or more dangerous than looking for physical buttons

 

[Peteski]

Back to the thread subject.
I believe the lack of certain knobs or buttons is dangerous. It is stupid not to have essential controls to hand.
1. Glovebox opening
2. Windscreen wipers
3 Radio
4. Climate control
The rest are irrelevant.
If the insurer was blaming this I would agree with him.
Also any controls the passenger needs should be manual.

None of those present any kind of challenge to me in a Tesla and I'm not sure why you would need to be opening the glovebox while driving? Can't say I even miss the few buttons that were in our MX when driving a 3 or Y.

I think it's more of a reaction to change than a real danger. So far I've covered nearly 100k miles in Teslas without any drama, so it can't be that dangerous. If I thought it was then I would choose something else. That's what you should do if you believe it is dangerous.

 

[Terry F]

Back to the thread subject.
I believe the lack of certain knobs or buttons is dangerous. It is stupid not to have essential controls to hand.
1. Glovebox opening
2. Windscreen wipers
3 Radio
4. Climate control
The rest are irrelevant.
If the insurer was blaming this I would agree with him.
Also any controls the passenger needs should be manual.

This may be your view but I disagree that any of this is dangerous. I don't see Glovebox, Radio or Climate controls as 'essential to have to hand' and the wiper button is on the end of the left stalk, just as easy to push that button as to flick the stalk on other car models. I understand that some may find physical knobs and buttons for some functions to be handy or convenient but the lack of these in a Tesla is hardly dangerous, at worst you may say its inconvenient. In respect of your No. 1 item, I'm sure that the driver leaning across to open the glovebox using a manual release whilst driving (as many many cars have) is far more dangerous than using the control on the Tesla screen, but in saying that, you should not be opening the glovebox whilst driving anyway, and if you are stationary then how hard is using the screen?

 

[Peteski]

This may be your view but I disagree that any of this is dangerous. I don't see Glovebox, Radio or Climate controls as 'essential to have to hand' and the wiper button is on the end of the left stalk, just as easy to push that button as to flick the stalk on other car models. I understand that some may find physical knobs and buttons for some functions to be handy or convenient but the lack of these in a Tesla is hardly dangerous, at worst you may say its inconvenient. In respect of your No. 1 item, I'm sure that the driver leaning across to open the glovebox using a manual release whilst driving (as many many cars have) is far more dangerous than using the control on the Tesla screen, but in saying that, you should not be opening the glovebox whilst driving anyway, and if you are stationary then how hard is using the screen?

I just use voice command "open glovebox" and works every time (because I'm not Scottish)

 

[Xdama]

Back to the thread subject.
I believe the lack of certain knobs or buttons is dangerous. It is stupid not to have essential controls to hand.
1. Glovebox opening
2. Windscreen wipers
3 Radio
4. Climate control
The rest are irrelevant.
If the insurer was blaming this I would agree with him.
Also any controls the passenger needs should be manual.

With the amount of storage in the centre of the car the glovebox is pretty non essential to me personally, certainly to access while driving, plus it’s where the data stick is for sentry mode so physical access would make it easy for the average smash n grab merchant to nick.

Windscreen wipers can be accessed by pushing the end of the left stalk easily, certainly for passing a truck spraying water as you pass. Screen buttons are easily placed after that 1 push.

Radio …. again not essential imo plus you can change stations with the steering wheel right hand wheel.

Climate control ….. again not what I’d call essential, I’ve never driven anywwhere that the temp suddenly fluctuates so much I MUST change the air con instantly. All VW group cars and Volvo (the original safest cars in the world) are screen controlled.

The only things I’d say could do with changing are lights personally. Everyone has their own opinion of course

 

[Jason71]

The screen definitely took getting used to for me but after a month I'm now quite happy to use it for all of the common things like climate, satnav, wipers etc. whilst driving. Anything more complicated and I just wait until I'm either stopped or at least on AP if on the motorway.

After that initial period (which really only applies to people like me who are new to Tesla) I don't see how it's any worse or more dangerous than looking for physical buttons

Agree but by that same token I can see a few issues for Hertz in the near future.
That's assuming their customers can figure out the door handles and get in in the first place

 

[EVMeister]

Agree but by that same token I can see a few issues for Hertz in the near future.
That's assuming their customers can figure out the door handles and get in in the first place

Hopefully customers pay attention to the information provided on the rental page(s) for the vehicle. Hertz has a range of images and videos covering these things. Maybe they email/send you over some of the basics when you rent the car as well - Your first drive - Hertz Travel Blog.

 

[yessuz]

Back to the thread subject.
I believe the lack of certain knobs or buttons is dangerous. It is stupid not to have essential controls to hand.
1. Glovebox opening
2. Windscreen wipers
3 Radio
4. Climate control
The rest are irrelevant.
If the insurer was blaming this I would agree with him.
Also any controls the passenger needs should be manual.

ummm... maybe yes, maybe no.

1) glovebox - opened like once a month (more or less). you do not need a knob for that. but I agree - separate latch would be useful, but then it would be difficult to lock it.
2) there is a button on the wiper stack for wipers.
3) you can set few favourites and change next/back with button on steering wheel.
4. it's always on the bottom of the screen. operation exactly same as with any knob on the middle of console.
Insurers blame anything. but this is certainly a BS
what controls do passenger need?

 

[Casss]

I've just had another converstaion with Aviva

There’s your problem.

 

[FastEddieB]

One way to make the display less “dangerous” is to learn to “scan”, in a fashion pilots are used to.

The “danger”, such as it is, springs from being distracted by the screen until you get it to do what you want, which can be 5 or 10 seconds. No argument that looking away from the road that long is dangerous.

The trick is to do it in little “bites”, looking back at the road in between. For instance…

Glance at display and place fingers behind display the near the temp indicator.

Look at road.

Glance at display and tap the temp indicator with your thumb to bring up the Climate screen.

Look at road.

Glance at the display to find the appropriate seat heater icon and position your hand nearby.

Look at road.

Tap the icon with your thumb to raise or lower the temp.

And so on.

Its an acquired skill, and folks (and student pilots) tend to fixate on a single task at the exclusion of all else. But with each of those glances taking no longer than the time needed to find a knob, let’s say, it’s hardly dangerous in and of itself.

 

[Undecided_2]

I've just had another converstaion with Aviva about why their quote for the Tesla is 6 times higher than the Porsche Macan S and he said . . . it's because of the screen, where it is is a distraction and causes more accidents adding that they would not insure anyone under 25 for that reason.

Frankly, I can see what he is on about . . . . from my first day of the test drive I've wondere about that screen being to the side and everything that needs doing needs to be done throughthat screen - it IS dangerous . . . . WHY can't Tesla see that?

I have no problem with the location of the screen and we made sure that we were happy before ordering. Odd that you now think it’s dangerous because an Aviva representative gave you their opinion.

Try a different insurance company clearly Aviva don’t want to insure you. Perhaps call them up again and speak to someone else and if they stick to the line that people are crashing their Teslas die to the screen get them to send the proof.

If you still don’t like where the screen is as it’s so dangerous then sell the car. Unless, you can speak to Elon and get him to send you a screen for behind the steering wheel.

 

[Undecided_2]

I don’t know what the Macan is but I do know that the Model 3 (standard) is insurance group 48D, and the LR and P are 50D - the highest classification.

They have supercar performance and I imagine quite a history of “watch this” incidents from people who can afford the car but have little experience of that level of performance.

It’s cheaper to repair ICE cars and parts are generally more plentiful for them. Tesla models take longer to get bits and I would imagine that only specialists can work on them rather than thousands of body shops.

I’m waiting for some trims for my MY and have been told it will be several weeks. If the car had been in an accident then the insurance company would be paying for lots of rental while it’s sorted.

That being said, I pay DL £700 for the MY and I had an accident in 2018 in the US and only 2 years NC. I think it’s fair even though I’m an old fart.

 

[Simavon]

One way to make the display less “dangerous” is to learn to “scan”, in a fashion pilots are used to.

The “danger”, such as it is, springs from being distracted by the screen until you get it to do what you want, which can be 5 or 10 seconds. No argument that looking away from the road that long is dangerous.

The trick is to do it in little “bites”, looking back at the road in between. For instance…

Glance at display and place fingers behind display the near the temp indicator.

Look at road.

Glance at display and tap the temp indicator with your thumb to bring up the Climate screen.

Look at road.

Glance at the display to find the appropriate seat heater icon and position your hand nearby.

Look at road.

Tap the icon with your thumb to raise or lower the temp.

And so on.

Its an acquired skill, and folks (and student pilots) tend to fixate on a single task at the exclusion of all else. But with each of those glances taking no longer than the time needed to find a knob, let’s say, it’s hardly dangerous in and of itself.

The standard response of the bad user interface designer is to blame the user.

 

[FastEddieB]

The standard response of the bad user interface designer is to blame the user.

No matter how good - or bad - the user interface is, it's still a good idea to develop habits/skills so as not to take your eyes off the road for any length of time.

As another data point, a neighbor took delivery of his M3P a month after M3LR, so like me never experienced the joys of V10. I mentioned this forum and how much vitriol there was over ver 11. Like me, he also finds the current interface pretty darn good, with minor exceptions.

 

[Forty_Two]

On the phone to Tesla this morning - I asked 'how do I get the heater on (fan blowing hot air) . . . . after 10 minutes of voice commands shouting "Heater Up" and getting diections to Pizza Hut followed by shouting 'Heat Up' and getting direction to Peach Up (a massage parlour you don't want your wife to know about) we gave up. The tesla rep (maybe new to the job) couldn't figure it out, she sent me some email links to read. I'm thinking about buying a hot water bottl!

 

[browellm]

This has to be a wind up.

 

[FastEddieB]

I’m now fully convinced this is a joke thread.

 

[Adopado]

I’m now fully convinced this is a joke thread.

Yes 42 should be the answer to everything but hereabouts 42 has a question about everything... if he's not a troll he could teach them a few things ...

 

[Casss]

Yes 42 should be the answer to everything but hereabouts 42 has a question about everything... if he's not a troll he could teach them a few things ...

Good thing I had my towel with me when reading this thread… otherwise who knows what might have happened!

 

[Masklin]

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