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Tesla Semi 500-range variant starts shipping this year: Elon Musk
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Dr. J
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I suppose an imaginary truck can be made in an imaginary factory.
Operator64
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Are you offering the space between your ears for a manufacturing facility, seems there may be room
500 miles with no load. Let's see what the actual mileage is with a full cargo loaded weight of a typical freight truck.
AMPd
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Whenever Musk makes a statement like that without any details, 98% of the time it’s complete BS. Simply trying to keep those products relevant.
There is no controversial about a 1Mwh battery giving an 82,000 pound GVW semi a range in the vicinity of 500 miles.
That is doable. The issues are payload and cost
roblab
Active Member
You do know that a truck uses very little power going down the road. The main drag is going up hills, which is where electric motors shine. Tesla has already done numerous tests driving loaded semis powered by the same motors used in the Model 3. Diesel engines used in trucks today are notorious for having little torque or power. And yes, I used to drive diesel semis. The power needed to move the "loaded weight of a typical freight truck", that is, a max of 80.000 lbs, is easily handled by electric motors. Once the truck is moving at speed, there is very little extra power needed, loaded or not.
AMPd
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Cool. But is that what musk tweeted or did he tweet about the semi shipping to customers by the end of this year which is what this thread is about, which is what I was talking about.
I NEVER believe a manufactures advertisement, no matter who it is until it can be independently verified by an actual buyer of the product. Let's see TFL Truck or some similar outlet buy one of these vehicles and actually put the numbers to the test. Until then, it's simply a biased advertisement.
There is a difference between not believing the number Tesla provided and stating that the number they provide is with no load. Tesla has a history of hitting the range numbers that they estimate before getting to production.
I'm fully aware of that. TFL Truck said the same thing with their F-150 electric truck. I refuse to believe biased advertisments from any manufacture, Tesla included. Let's see an actual buyer who puts the numbers to the test.
There is not a wide consensus on your argument. Case in point.
Tesla Fails To Meet EPA Range With All Its Cars In Edmunds' Tests
This may explain why most automakers prefer to adopt a more conservative EPA testing method.
Some say that Tesla underpromises and overdelivers. According to Edmunds, there is at least one case in which that is right the opposite. Tesla would overpromise and underdeliver when it comes to the range: it was one of the only two companies that failed to meet its EPA numbers with all its five cars tested by the website. The other one was Polestar.
Curiously, we have mentioned on September 3, 2020, why the company presents much better numbers than its competitors: Tesla adopts a different strategy from most other car companies when it comes to measuring the range in its cars. This excellent Car And Driver article explain that.
Edmunds' results show the best Tesla was the Model S Performance. Its EPA range is 326 miles, but it could only run 318 miles, or 2.5 percent less than expected. If we were to take Elon Musk’s words that the new normal is 300 miles, this Model S was the only Tesla to achieve that. The other three EVs above the 300-mile threshold are the Taycan 4S, the Hyundai Kona Electric, and the Ford Mustang Mach-E AWD Extended Range.
The worst Tesla was the Model 3 Performance. It failed its 310-mile EPA range by 17.4 percent, with only 256 miles in the Edmunds’ tests, which also evaluated the Model 3 Standard Range Plus (-7.2 percent), the Model X Long Range (-10.4 percent), and the Model Y Performance (-9.6 percent).
More than putting Tesla ranges under scrutiny, what the Edmunds’ test did was to reinforce the need to revise EPA standards. If their goal is to present numbers that buyers can compare in a fair way, the variations Edmunds detected show the EPA numbers are anything but comparable. As Car And Driver pointed out, the fact that some automakers can choose more benign testing methods – even if more arduous – already frustrates the comparison goals.
InsideEVs
Feb 2021
Well of course Edmunds didn't get the EPA rated range, they ran a completely different test than the EPA rated range is based on. That is comparing apples and oranges.
Which reaffirms my argument. There is not a central consensus that Tesla's listed range on their website matches what people are experiencing in the real world.
It isn't supposed to. Just like the range advertised on any ICE car isn't what they actually experience in the real world. There is no way to report an estimated range that will match everyone's unique usage pattern.
But for the Tesla Semi they aren't reporting it using the EPA calculation, and they are very clear that their estimate is for when it is fully loaded.
jabloomf1230
Minister of Silly Walks
Any mileage test run by a private company is potentially suspect. This doesn't mean that government tests yield unbiased real world results. It means that they are not influenced by advertising and other aspects that contribute to making a buck. It also means that vehicle manufacturers can game any testing methodology, whether public or private.
Elon Musk touts 600-mile range, clean energy for electric Semi | GreenBiz
Tesla's CEO disclosed a few tidbits about its electric semi-truck that tout battery innovations.
What happened to 600 mile range?
Operator64
Member
InflationElon Musk touts 600-mile range, clean energy for electric Semi | GreenBiz
Tesla's CEO disclosed a few tidbits about its electric semi-truck that tout battery innovations.www.greenbiz.com
What happened to 600 mile range?
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