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Tesla Settles Class Action on AP2.0 Delays
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TaoJones
Beyond Driven
Well said.
You’ll have to forgive the fanbois. It usually takes a bit longer for reality to penetrate the rose-colored glasses and the unfortunate disconnect from the facts at hand.
Such as the fact that owners paid up front for the expectation of software updates.
Such as when senior management states that there will be parity of AP2 with AP1 by the end of 2016, and then by mid-2017, and it still isn’t delivered by now mid-2018, that people led to believe those statements might hold said senior management accountable.
Darn those pesky class action suits, anyway.
I don’t mind fanbois. I find them more amusing than annoying, unfortunately all too easily debunked, and in need of a reality check more than anything else.
Putting this in Monty Python terms, because it just fits:
They’re not the Knights who say Ni - they’re the Anti-Shorts of Alternate Reality.
Coconuts for everybody! And hopefully few class actions going forward - would be nice to go a year or two without one.
Kant.Ing
Member
NerdUno
Member
At least you're a consistent cheerleader. Tesla didn't shell out $5 million because of their generous spirit. Once some real lawyers file a complaint and get discovery with depositions, then we can discuss whether AP2 is "rocking" or not. One thing is for sure. It's not anywhere close to the promised EAP. "E" stands for Enhanced in case you've forgotten.
lunitiks
Cool James & Black Teacher
I was told it stood for emercency, experimental or eventually
Seems this continues to escalate
Tesla could have to offer computer retrofits to all Autopilot 2.0 and 2.5 cars by the end of next year
Couple of quotes from the article: (my highlights)
"Musk said during Tesla’s Q1 conference call last week that even this computer, which is the one being installed in vehicles currently in production, might also need to be replaced to achieve fully self-driving capability"
"Tesla promised fully self-driving to all cars since October 2016 and based on Musk’s recent comments, it looks like all those cars might need a computer upgrade, which he already said the company will provide for free"
We are already talking about over 120,000 vehicles with Autopilot 2.0 and 2.5 hardware suite on the road today and at the current production rate, Tesla can be adding as many as 50,000 new cars per quarter at this point.
As much as I love him, I think Elon must be regretting stating and charging for FSD so soon.
Tesla could have to offer computer retrofits to all Autopilot 2.0 and 2.5 cars by the end of next year
Couple of quotes from the article: (my highlights)
"Musk said during Tesla’s Q1 conference call last week that even this computer, which is the one being installed in vehicles currently in production, might also need to be replaced to achieve fully self-driving capability"
"Tesla promised fully self-driving to all cars since October 2016 and based on Musk’s recent comments, it looks like all those cars might need a computer upgrade, which he already said the company will provide for free"
We are already talking about over 120,000 vehicles with Autopilot 2.0 and 2.5 hardware suite on the road today and at the current production rate, Tesla can be adding as many as 50,000 new cars per quarter at this point.
As much as I love him, I think Elon must be regretting stating and charging for FSD so soon.
TaoJones
Beyond Driven
Yes, but*...
* The but being that while true, the press/reporting is not complete. That’s “all vehicles since late 2016 *for which the FSD option was purchased*.”
Which is to say that FSD, while available for those since late 2016, would have to be triggered first by a new payment *for those who did not buy it at the time*.
Not trying to pick nits, but rather to highlight that Tesla’s exposure, while significant, is limited to some percentage less than 100% or all cars sold since late 2016.
A board swap shouldn’t be super costly. Since the service model is supposedly changing to mobile technicians as a primary option, then maybe SCs won’t be quite so badly impacted by this either.
Looks like its one for the lawyers to sort out, however my take is that it (Tesla website) stated that it was available after delivery, over the air (and just for a few extra bickies).
Anyway interesting times as always around here.
But they can raise the after delivery price at any time. So if they find that a hardware upgrade is necessary they will likely raise the after-purchase FSD activation price. (Assuming that the extra $1k doesn't already cover the expense.)
This would upset a lot of customers (myself included) after buying the car being told it would cost $4k to unlock FSD once it's ready. That was the point of the extra $1000 over not paying for it before delivery.
Then maybe you should think about buying it now. They have a history of changing the prices on OTA unlocks. They increased the cost of AP already, and they lowered the price of the 60-75kWh battery upgrade.. (People complained "but you said that it cost $x and now you want to charge $y." And Tesla basically said yep, the price has gone up.
I fully expect the $3k FSD price will go up once FSD is actually available as well.
Does anyone remember the link to the thread which discusses opting out of this settlement? Isn't the deadline at the end of this week?
Krugerrand
Meow
Really? A couple bucks in your pocket is better than losing? Wow, you have low standards. From where I’m sitting, you did lose. The only winner was the lawyers. Way to go, that’ll learn Tesla.
Krugerrand
Meow
Not sure of the deadline but often in these class action suits they make opting out so tedious and involved as to not be worth your time and effort. I’ve done it on principle alone but what a complete pain in the butt it was.
Found the thread here: EAP Class Action Settlement 7-26-18
The settlement website is here: https://www.autopilotsettlement.com
Exclusion Deadline Mailed no later than September 6, 2018
Objection Deadline Filed or postmarked on or before September 6, 2018
Final Approval Hearing Scheduled for October 17, 2018 at 9:00 a.m.
spc
Member
We go and spend a bunch of money on a set of options, then comes the very smart law suit we have to opt out to have the right to demand the delivery of what was promised, and all we get is 20 bucks as a refund????
I would not surprise me to find that Tesla itself is behind all of this just to get away cheap and not deliver what it said it would.
It is so common out there that when we all buy something and it does not work... we take it back for a full refund so how about that Tesla?
I would not surprise me to find that Tesla itself is behind all of this just to get away cheap and not deliver what it said it would.
It is so common out there that when we all buy something and it does not work... we take it back for a full refund so how about that Tesla?
Joe F
Disruption is hard.
This settlement is only for the delay of the AP features when they were promised earlier. The earlier you bought your car and did not have the features the more you received. This has nothing to do with the FSD part of the lawsuit which continues since no one received any of those promised functions.
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