Ciaopec
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Simple solution: sell the Tesla and buy a car that offers charging somewhere other than an illegal monopoly. We could cut this discussion short!
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Tesla Supercharger is an illegal monopoly
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The CHAdeMO adapter isn't available anymore and is only limited to 50 kW.
Tesla doesn't sell the adapter in North America.
So if the third-party adapter catches on fire (because the manufacturer uses undersized wires) and damages the vehicle, is Tesla going to repair the vehicle for free?
Irrelevant. It exists. And for those who want faster charging, there is the CCS adapter.
So? No pin passthrough would work AT ALL if they didn't include CCS protocol support in the charging hardware. And they did include it.
Is Tesla going to repair the vehicle for free if a third party EVSE feeds 800VAC into the OBC?
Oh, and I've gotta revisit this quote:
Look! Look! Look what I made it do!!!
No, its not about the leaf. Its a pretty good "Lets get the discussion going!!!!!" post though.
Irrelevant. It exists doesn't mean that every North American Tesla driver has access to it.
Also, Tesla doesn't even sell CCS adapter in the US.
So why are you recommending that Tesla drivers use potentially unsafe third-party adapters?So? No pin passthrough would work AT ALL if they didn't include CCS protocol support in the charging hardware. And they did include it.
Is Tesla going to repair the vehicle for free if a third party EVSE feeds 800VAC into the OBC?
You can make it navigate to other fast charging stations, but it would automatically navigate to the Supercharger otherwise.
Also, no battery pre-conditioning.
SilverString
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A monopoly perhaps. Illegal? No. Why do they have a monopoly? Because they provide the best experience and they work nearly 100% of the time.
Tesla owners mostly use 3rd party chargers only if they are forced to do so. It would be nice to finally get a US CCS adapter I guess, but for me it is rarely needed, if at all, which is likely why they have never appeared in the US market. If there really is a significant nation-wide price difference (which I doubt) most people would pay it simply for the ease of use and reliability. Pretty much the same reasons people buy and pay more for Tesla Vehicles in the first place. Nothing illegal here - it's called free market competition.
Tesla owners mostly use 3rd party chargers only if they are forced to do so. It would be nice to finally get a US CCS adapter I guess, but for me it is rarely needed, if at all, which is likely why they have never appeared in the US market. If there really is a significant nation-wide price difference (which I doubt) most people would pay it simply for the ease of use and reliability. Pretty much the same reasons people buy and pay more for Tesla Vehicles in the first place. Nothing illegal here - it's called free market competition.
ElectricIAC
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We just don’t want Bolt, Leaf and BZ4X drivers clogging our chargers up more than Uber/Hertz drivers.
...because Tesla uses the Tesla Proprietary Connector (TPC) that no one else uses so (North America) Tesla drivers can't anywhere else besides the Supercharger
...not sure what that has to do with the current discussion
ElectricIAC
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Tesla branded superchargers are there to enhance TESLA owner experiences not degrade.
...and what does that have to do with Tesla owners fast charging elsewhere other than the Supercharger?
Everyone was able to order through Harumio for a certain amount of time. And everyone is able to order third party adapters too.
So? They wouldn't have even put the protocol capability into the charging hardware if they didn't want people to use adapters, third party or otherwise.
Did you see me making a recommendation either way? All I was doing was responding to your idiotic comment that you need to import the official one to charge at CCS chargers. You do not.
That's the biggest issue. Tesla needs to simply add an option that says "my next stop is a fast charger" and leave it at that. I do not WANT Tesla managing a list of DC fast chargers like it's the authoritative source on where these things are located and which ones are working. The ONLY list of fast chargers Tesla has that they know exist and know the status of at any given time is their own. Having Tesla manage a list of DC fast chargers means that if their database isn't properly linked to whatever third party runs the other network, they could miss a charger or tell you it's operating when it's really not. If you want to use an EA charger, you should use the EA app to find the authoritative list of which ones exist and are operating, then navigate to that address in the car's nav system and check the "my next stop is a fast charger" box for preconditioning. But keep Tesla's buggy software away from the list of third party fast chargers.
Connector type is irrelevant. Tesla could use a standard connector and run a proprietary protocol across it, and program its cars and chargers to not respond to anything except its proprietary protocol, so that Tesla drivers can't charge at standard charging stations even if the connector fits. They could also use a proprietary connector and put hardware that responds to standard protocols so that, with a simple pin passthrough adapter, Tesla drivers can charge at standard chargers. If they really wanted to prevent people from charging at third party chargers, they'd do the former. But they have done the latter.
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ElectricIAC
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When it makes sense, it makes sense.
It doesn’t make sense to open Tesla superchargers up.
That's not even what this thread is about.
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Except that it's not available now, and even if it's available some unofficial channels in the future, Tesla might cut that off at any time.
Yes, there are third-party adapters available, but you just implied that you don't recommend them.
Any way you said it, Tesla locked Tesla drivers from charging elsewhere other than the Supercharger.
When and if Tesla offer the adapter in N America should be the end of charging monopoly threads.
So? Third party adapters are available too, for those who want them.
I am not not recommending them either. I'm simply stating that they exist.Nope.
Are you saying that the Tesla Supercharger is not a monopoly because Tesla drivers can use potentially dangerous third-party adapters that might harm them and damage their vehicles?So? Third party adapters are available too, for those who want them.
Nope.
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There is a reason that Tesla doesn't sell the CCS adapter in North America.
Show me a report of a third-party adapter causing damage to a Tesla vehicle.
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