Ciaopec
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Simple solution: sell the Tesla and buy a car that offers charging somewhere other than an illegal monopoly. We could cut this discussion short!
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The CHAdeMO adapter isn't available anymore and is only limited to 50 kW.Wrong. Tesla has a CHAdeMO adapter. I've used one of those before.
Tesla doesn't sell the adapter in North America.Wrong. Tesla has a CHAdeMO adapter. I've used one of those before. Tesla also has CCS support. I've used that too, with my CCS adapter that is made by Tesla.
So if the third-party adapter catches on fire (because the manufacturer uses undersized wires) and damages the vehicle, is Tesla going to repair the vehicle for free?There are several other third party CCS adapter brands because the CCS adapter is just a pin passthrough.
Unofficially import the adapters: yes, if you want OEM equipment. No, if you are willing to settle for third party adapters.
Irrelevant. It exists. And for those who want faster charging, there is the CCS adapter.The CHAdeMO adapter isn't available anymore and is only limited to 50 kW.
So? No pin passthrough would work AT ALL if they didn't include CCS protocol support in the charging hardware. And they did include it.Tesla doesn't sell the adapter in North America.
Is Tesla going to repair the vehicle for free if a third party EVSE feeds 800VAC into the OBC?So if the third-party adapter catches on fire (because the manufacturer uses undersized wires) and damages the vehicle, is Tesla going to repair the vehicle for free?
Look! Look! Look what I made it do!!!Furthermore, Tesla on-board navigation navigates Tesla drivers to the Supercharger instead of other fast chargers.
Also, this discussion isn’t about the Nissan Leaf.
Irrelevant. It exists doesn't mean that every North American Tesla driver has access to it.Irrelevant. It exists. And for those who want faster charging, there is the CCS adapter.
So why are you recommending that Tesla drivers use potentially unsafe third-party adapters?So? No pin passthrough would work AT ALL if they didn't include CCS protocol support in the charging hardware. And they did include it.
Is Tesla going to repair the vehicle for free if a third party EVSE feeds 800VAC into the OBC?
You can make it navigate to other fast charging stations, but it would automatically navigate to the Supercharger otherwise.
We just don’t want Bolt, Leaf and BZ4X drivers clogging our chargers up more than Uber/Hertz drivers.Tesla prevents Tesla drivers (who are the majority of BEV drivers) from fast charging elsewhere other than the Supercharger.
(Tesla drivers who want to fast charge elsewhere need to unofficially import the adapters and possibly retrofit the ChargePort ECU on their vehicles.)
Furthermore, Tesla on-board navigation navigates Tesla drivers to the Supercharger instead of other fast chargers.
As a result, Tesla can charge whichever rate it wants, and Tesla drivers are forced to pay because of the lack of alternatives.
By denying Tesla drivers the ability to use public fast charging networks, Tesla also denies the operators of those networks the critical fund needed to install and maintain their equipment.
The result is higher charging rates for Tesla drivers and poorer public fast charging infrastructure.
...because Tesla uses the Tesla Proprietary Connector (TPC) that no one else uses so (North America) Tesla drivers can't anywhere else besides the SuperchargerWhy do they have a monopoly?
...not sure what that has to do with the current discussionWe just don’t want Bolt, Leaf and BZ4X drivers clogging our chargers up more than Uber/Hertz drivers.
Tesla branded superchargers are there to enhance TESLA owner experiences not degrade....not sure what that has to do with the current discussion
...and what does that have to do with Tesla owners fast charging elsewhere other than the Supercharger?Tesla branded superchargers are there to enhance TESLA owner experiences not degrade.
Everyone was able to order through Harumio for a certain amount of time. And everyone is able to order third party adapters too.Irrelevant. It exists doesn't mean that every North American Tesla driver has access to it.
So? They wouldn't have even put the protocol capability into the charging hardware if they didn't want people to use adapters, third party or otherwise.Also, Tesla doesn't even sell CCS adapter in the US.
Did you see me making a recommendation either way? All I was doing was responding to your idiotic comment that you need to import the official one to charge at CCS chargers. You do not.So why are you recommending that Tesla drivers use potentially unsafe third-party adapters?
That's the biggest issue. Tesla needs to simply add an option that says "my next stop is a fast charger" and leave it at that. I do not WANT Tesla managing a list of DC fast chargers like it's the authoritative source on where these things are located and which ones are working. The ONLY list of fast chargers Tesla has that they know exist and know the status of at any given time is their own. Having Tesla manage a list of DC fast chargers means that if their database isn't properly linked to whatever third party runs the other network, they could miss a charger or tell you it's operating when it's really not. If you want to use an EA charger, you should use the EA app to find the authoritative list of which ones exist and are operating, then navigate to that address in the car's nav system and check the "my next stop is a fast charger" box for preconditioning. But keep Tesla's buggy software away from the list of third party fast chargers.You can make it navigate to other fast charging stations, but it would automatically navigate to the Supercharger otherwise.
Also, no battery pre-conditioning.
Connector type is irrelevant. Tesla could use a standard connector and run a proprietary protocol across it, and program its cars and chargers to not respond to anything except its proprietary protocol, so that Tesla drivers can't charge at standard charging stations even if the connector fits. They could also use a proprietary connector and put hardware that responds to standard protocols so that, with a simple pin passthrough adapter, Tesla drivers can charge at standard chargers. If they really wanted to prevent people from charging at third party chargers, they'd do the former. But they have done the latter....because Tesla uses the Tesla Proprietary Connector (TPC) that no one else uses so (North America) Tesla drivers can't anywhere else besides the Supercharger
When it makes sense, it makes sense....and what does that have to do with Tesla owners fast charging elsewhere other than the Supercharger?
That's not even what this thread is about.When it makes sense, it makes sense.
It doesn’t make sense to open Tesla superchargers up.
Except that it's not available now, and even if it's available some unofficial channels in the future, Tesla might cut that off at any time.Everyone was able to order through Harumio for a certain amount of time.
Yes, there are third-party adapters available, but you just implied that you don't recommend them.And everyone is able to order third party adapters too.
So? They wouldn't have even put the protocol capability into the charging hardware if they didn't want people to use adapters, third party or otherwise.
Did you see me making a recommendation either way? All I was doing was responding to your idiotic comment that you need to import the official one to charge at CCS chargers. You do not.
Any way you said it, Tesla locked Tesla drivers from charging elsewhere other than the Supercharger.Connector type is irrelevant. Tesla could use a standard connector and run a proprietary protocol across it, and program its cars and chargers to not respond to anything except its proprietary protocol, so that Tesla drivers can't charge at standard charging stations even if the connector fits. They could also use a proprietary connector and put hardware that responds to standard protocols so that, with a simple pin passthrough adapter, Tesla drivers can charge at standard chargers. If they really wanted to prevent people from charging at third party chargers, they'd do the former. But they have done the latter.
So? Third party adapters are available too, for those who want them.Except that it's not available now, and even if it's available some unofficial channels in the future, Tesla might cut that off at any time.
I am not not recommending them either. I'm simply stating that they exist.Yes, there are third-party adapters available, but you just implied that you don't recommend them.
Nope.Any way you said it, Tesla locked Tesla drivers from charging elsewhere other than the Supercharger.
Are you saying that the Tesla Supercharger is not a monopoly because Tesla drivers can use potentially dangerous third-party adapters that might harm them and damage their vehicles?So? Third party adapters are available too, for those who want them.
I am not not recommending them either. I'm simply stating that they exist.
Nope.
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There is a reason that Tesla doesn't sell the CCS adapter in North America.When and if Tesla offer the adapter in N America should be the end of charging monopoly threads.
Show me a report of a third-party adapter causing damage to a Tesla vehicle.Are you saying that the Tesla Supercharger is not a monopoly because Tesla drivers can use potentially dangerous third-party adapters that might harm them and damage their vehicles?