Your argument is a strawman.Show me a report of a third-party adapter causing damage to a Tesla vehicle.
I said that they are potentially dangerous, not knowing if they have been sufficiently safety tested (or not).
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Your argument is a strawman.Show me a report of a third-party adapter causing damage to a Tesla vehicle.
This is total crap. Anyone that wants to use those horrible unreliable EA stations or any other non Tesla station can just buy any non Tesla vehicle.Tesla prevents Tesla drivers (who are the majority of BEV drivers) from fast charging elsewhere other than the Supercharger.
(Tesla drivers who want to fast charge elsewhere need to unofficially import the adapters and possibly retrofit the ChargePort ECU on their vehicles.)
Furthermore, Tesla on-board navigation navigates Tesla drivers to the Supercharger instead of other fast chargers.
As a result, Tesla can charge whichever rate it wants, and Tesla drivers are forced to pay because of the lack of alternatives.
By denying Tesla drivers the ability to use public fast charging networks, Tesla also denies the operators of those networks the critical fund needed to install and maintain their equipment.
The result is higher charging rates for Tesla drivers and poorer public fast charging infrastructure.
That is a good point. I have not read of any damage reports.Show me a report of a third-party adapter causing damage to a Tesla vehicle.
So what you saying is that, if I am in Minot, ND, I should only charge from level 2 chargers even though there are non-Tesla DCFCs there.This is total crap. Anyone that wants to use those horrible unreliable EA stations or any other non Tesla station can just buy any non Tesla vehicle.
There is no monopoly here.
Tesla-like ≠ TeslaNo if you want to torture yourself and use these garbage EA stations you can buy one of these adapters.
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In the real world, the court of law means: who can afford the best lawyers.OP is like a troll. Why keep feeding him. He is firmly convinced the network is an illegal monopoly. Let them prove that in a court of law. Otherwise this is torture to watch. Can to; can not. Is too; is not. Says who; says me. It's mine; no it isn't . Blah blah blah
I'm not sure you're winning here with no lawyers. It's like someone who likes to hear themselves talk.In the real world, the court of law means: who can afford the best lawyers.
...and Tesla can sure afford much better lawyers than I can
...and there are no judges and justices here in this forumI'm not sure you're winning here with no lawyers. It's like someone who likes to hear themselves talk.
A monopoly usually requires that the company has >60% of the market share.This would be like arguing Samsung has a monopoly on TVs because their Operating system is proprietary, and some specific application someone wanted only ran on the samsung TV Operating system.
No one is forcing anyone to buy tesla vehicles (there are other choices in EVs
No one is forcing anyone to charge at a supercharger. Unlike a gas car, which has no real way to install "A pump" at home, EVs can be charged at home.
The argument appears to be "Tesla is not selling an adapter in north america so that I can easily fast charge at other stations, this makes it a monopoloy". It would make more sense if the only way to fuel the vehicles at all was a tesla supercharger (it isnt), and there were no other choices in the marketplace for a different vehicle (there are).
With that being said, as I said earlier, this is very (very) obviously a "Lets get the conversation going!!!!" post.
This is a good point. I looked it up and in my area, EA sites are $0.01/kWh cheaper than Tesla‘s supercharger sites. I also found a couple of free sites (neither Tesla, nor EA).Electrify America’s rates are less expensive
In some cases, Electrify America is much cheaper.This is a good point. I looked it up and in my area, EA sites are $0.01/kWh cheaper than Tesla‘s supercharger sites. I also found a couple of free sites (neither Tesla, nor EA).
A 1 penny difference doesn’t seem to support monopolistic pricing power. And Tesla is still cheaper than many others, and more reliable.
Perhaps you would prefer a larger survey?
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Your point is a good one but seems to then go off about having to purchase another vehicle. Where I live, Tesla SuperChargers are as high as 55c kwh during day hours vs. CCS Fast Chargers at 30c kwh 24 hrs per day. I purchased a new 2022 Tesla with CCS capability vs my old one which does not. But Tesla won't provide me with an adapter. I did buy another EV, but your point is it should be something other than a Tesla? But Tesla indicated my car will Fast Charge at a CCS Fast Charger. I take long trips monthly. It cannot use CCS due at nearly half the price, due to Teslas latest inhibitor. They sell it in S Korea but restrict US shipmentThe argument appears to be "Tesla is not selling an adapter in north america so that I can easily fast charge at other stations, this makes it a monopoloy". It would make more sense if the only way to fuel the vehicles at all was a tesla supercharger (it isnt), and there were no other choices in the marketplace for a different vehicle (there are).
With that being said, as I said earlier, this is very (very) obviously a "Lets get the conversation going!!!!" post.
Microsoft was found to have a monopoly over operating systems software for IBM-compatible personal computers. Microsoft was able to use its dominant position in the operating systems market to exclude other software developers and prevent computer makers from installing non-Microsoft browser software to run with Microsoft's operating system software. Specifically, Microsoft illegally maintained its operating systems monopoly by including Internet Explorer, the Microsoft Internet browser, with every copy of its Windows operating system software sold to computer makers, and making it technically difficult not to use its browser or to use a non-Microsoft browser.
There is a large number of alternative vehicles that are cheaper and which have much better refueling infrastructure. Most people I know have one of those.Let's use this example of monopolization from the FTC's website:
In the same way, Tesla is using its dominant position in the BEV market to make it difficult to use other fast charging networks with Tesla vehicles.
Tesla is, in fact, a monopoly in the BEV market.There is a large number of alternative vehicles that are cheaper and which have much better refueling infrastructure. Most people I know have one of those.
I'm also surprised as the suggestion of a BEV monopoly given that I bought a different one, I have colleagues with BEVs and none has a Tesla, one has a non-Tesla on order and friends who are considering BEVs aren't planning on getting Teslas either.
Worst. Monopoly. Ever.
Actually the patents have been made open for all of this -- no auto manufacturers chose to use it. Also, EVgo has Tesla connectors at their DCFC's provided by using a hard-installed CHaDeMO adapter. Paging Uncle Pennybags!They can't because the Tesla Proprietary Connector (TPC) is, well, proprietary.