Tesla Supercharger network

[Benjamin Brooks]

Anyone has the list of SuperCharger sites that are now limited to 80% SOC?
Sounds like something useful for supercharge.info as well...

 

[AWDtsla]

Anyone has the list of SuperCharger sites that are now limited to 80% SOC?
Sounds like something useful for supercharge.info as well...

Seems like all of them right now, from user reports.

 

[bmah]

Seems like all of them right now, from user reports.

No, 3 of the 4 I charged yesterday at did not have this limitation (San Francisco Letterman Drive, San Jose Blossom Hill Road, and Big Sur). Monterey did, however (don’t know the historical usage pattern here, but It was pretty busy while I was there).

I would expect (no insider knowledge) Tesla to be tuning / fixing this feature going forward, as they get experience with it, and customers provide feedback.

Bruce.

 

[mociaf9]

No, 3 of the 4 I charged yesterday at did not have this limitation (San Francisco Letterman Drive, San Jose Blossom Hill Road, and Big Sur). Monterey did, however (don’t know the historical usage pattern here, but It was pretty busy while I was there).

I would expect (no insider knowledge) Tesla to be tuning / fixing this feature going forward, as they get experience with it, and customers provide feedback.

Those 3 without the warning were all very newly opened (SJ- BH within 2 weeks, and the other two within 4 days). Of them, only Blossom Hill has even made it onto Tesla's online map as open yet. And that may have just happened within the last few days. Not really a great subset to determine whether essentially all of the established locations that people are used to using have the warnings or not. Though, of course, it is sufficient to refute the statement on technical grounds (i.e. rigidly defined "all").

 

[bmah]

Those 3 without the warning were all very newly opened (SJ- BH within 2 weeks, and the other two within 4 days). Of them, only Blossom Hill has even made it onto Tesla's online map as open yet. And that may have just happened within the last few days. Not really a great subset to determine whether essentially all of the established locations that people are used to using have the warnings or not. Though, of course, it is sufficient to refute the statement on technical grounds (i.e. rigidly defined "all").

All true. That last point was all I was trying for.

Bruce.

 

[Rocky_H]

I understand tesla time, but if v3 is the future, why delay the buildout? Why spend money on v2 locations.

Oh, jeez. Seriously? How about because there are still gaps larger than the total range of the cars that still don't have any Supercharger coverage? Any kind--even v2--would be like an oasis in the desert!

 

[XHabjab]

Oh, jeez. Seriously? How about because there are still gaps larger than the total range of the cars that still don't have any Supercharger coverage? Any kind--even v2--would be like an oasis in the desert!

Yeah and my car got the 150kW update last week. I just charged 142kW on a V2 charger. Very nice. I don't feel a great "gotta have it now" need for the V3.

 

[Araman0]

My 2012 S got the 150kw update last weekend, but my max charge rate only reached ~118kw. Maybe my car is too old for 150kw?

(I arrived to the Centralia supercharger with a SoC of 5%, and had Seattle as my final destination. So it should have used all 150kw if the car is allowed to.)

 

[AMPd]

Oh, jeez. Seriously? How about because there are still gaps larger than the total range of the cars that still don't have any Supercharger coverage? Any kind--even v2--would be like an oasis in the desert!

And wouldn’t it be better to fill those gaps with a V3 supercharger?

 

[AMPd]

Yeah and my car got the 150kW update last week. I just charged 142kW on a V2 charger. Very nice. I don't feel a great "gotta have it now" need for the V3.

You don’t feel the need until you have to wait for a stall, a v3 SC can charge model 3s quicker which means a higher throughput
If the v3 SC technology is here and ready to be deployed then it makes no sense to keep building v2 superchargers

 

[Rocky_H]

My 2012 S got the 150kw update last weekend, but my max charge rate only reached ~118kw. Maybe my car is too old for 150kw?

(I arrived to the Centralia supercharger with a SoC of 5%, and had Seattle as my final destination. So it should have used all 150kw if the car is allowed to.)

Basically too old, yes, but mainly the smaller batteries like that can't take rates that high. Mine is a 2014 S 85, so it also can't take power that high. I did see a little bit higher rates than I had ever seen before on a trip last week. I saw about 117 or 118kW a couple of times, where for several years I don't think I'd seen over 114kW. But I think it is only the Model 3 and maybe the newer S and X with the 100 packs that can really get up near 150kW.

And wouldn’t it be better to fill those gaps with a V3 supercharger?

No.

You don’t feel the need until you have to wait for a stall, a v3 SC can charge model 3s quicker which means a higher throughput
If the v3 SC technology is here and ready to be deployed then it makes no sense to keep building v2 superchargers

So to explain the "No" answer: Limited quantities of each type still being built right now, and these remaining minor kinds of gap places like Burns, Oregon or Grangeville, Idaho that are not on Interstates have no need for the ultra fast speed of v3 Superchargers, so let Tesla send the v3 ones to the places that really need that speed and throughput, like these places you are talking about that may have a wait for a stall. I guarantee you there will not be a wait for a stall in Burns or Grangeville, since it would be more like one car per day or two. They just need something that is better than waiting 7 hours on AC charging.

 

[wdolson]

My 2012 S got the 150kw update last weekend, but my max charge rate only reached ~118kw. Maybe my car is too old for 150kw?

(I arrived to the Centralia supercharger with a SoC of 5%, and had Seattle as my final destination. So it should have used all 150kw if the car is allowed to.)

Most of the 2012 and 2013 Model Ss aren't even capable of V2 supercharger rates.

 

[dgatwood]

Oh, jeez. Seriously? How about because there are still gaps larger than the total range of the cars that still don't have any Supercharger coverage? Any kind--even v2--would be like an oasis in the desert!

Given that there are locations where they're unable to cope with the capacity needs as it is, they should really start upgrading all of the high-usage V2 locations to V3, and then repurpose the equipment that they remove, so that the cost of adding superchargers in likely low-volume-but-interesting locations is basically just the cost of labor. I'm sure there have to be places where they think, "We'd like to have a supercharger here, but we can't justify the cost."

 

[emupilot]

Here is an update on the status of the North American "Coming Soon" superchargers targeted to open in 2019. 19 sites opened in the U.S. and Canada in the last month for a total of 59 so far in 2019. Below is a list of recently opened superchargers and 125 sites about which there is at least some information on the location. Sites with confirmed locations are shown at supercharge.info; details on all sites is available at the Supercharger Progress wiki.

Location	Site Known?	Status
Anaheim, CA	yes	in permitting
Anaheim Hills, CA	yes	operational
Big Sur, CA	yes	operational
Chico, CA	yes	awaiting power on / testing
Dublin - Dublin Blvd, CA	yes	under construction
Emeryville, CA	yes	in permitting
Fairfield - Holiday Lane, CA	yes	operational
Hayward, CA	yes	awaiting power on / testing
Huntington Beach, CA	yes	in permitting
Laytonville, CA	yes	under construction
Marin City, CA	yes	in permitting
Menlo Park, CA	yes	under construction
Milpitas - Great Mall, CA	yes	under construction
Newark, CA	yes	awaiting transformer / hookup
Ojai, CA	yes	under construction
Palm Springs, CA	yes	under construction
Pasadena, CA	yes	in permitting
Rancho Mirage, CA	yes	in permitting
Richmond, CA	yes	under construction
Rohnert Park, CA	yes	operational
San Diego - Del Mar Heights Road, CA	yes	operational
San Francisco - Letterman Drive, CA	yes	operational
San Jose - Blossom Hill Road, CA	yes	operational
San Jose - Cottle Road, CA	yes	in permitting
Santa Monica, CA	yes	in permitting
South San Francisco, CA	yes	in permitting
Tahoe City, CA	yes	in permitting
Vallejo, CA	yes	under construction
Visalia, CA	maybe	in planning
Watsonville, CA	yes	awaiting transformer / hookup
Windsor, CA	yes	permit approved
Wheat Ridge, CO	maybe	in site selection
Hartford - Liebert Road, CT	yes	under construction
Lisbon, CT	yes	in permitting
Meriden, CT	maybe	in site selection
Old Lyme, CT	yes	in permitting
Stamford - High Ridge Road, CT	yes	under construction
Stamford - Summer Street, CT	yes	under construction
Celebration, FL	yes	operational
Kissimmee, FL	yes	in permitting
Miami - Mary Brickell Village, FL	yes	operational
Miami - Wynwood, FL	maybe	in site selection
Sioux City, IA	maybe	in design / permitting?
Rolling Meadows, IL	yes	expansion in permitting
Zionsville, IN	yes	operational
Mission, KS	yes	operational
Olathe, KS	yes	under construction
Lafayette, LA	yes	in permitting
Beverly, MA	yes	permit issued
Boston - Richard B Ross Way, MA	yes	operational
Braintree, MA	yes	in permitting
Lynnfield, MA	yes	under construction
Orleans, MA	yes	in permitting
Seekonk, MA	yes	in permitting
Wareham, MA	yes	in permitting
Woburn, MA	yes	in permitting
Beltsville, MD	yes	in permitting
Bethesda - Montgomery Mall East, MD	yes	in permitting
Bethesda - Montgomery Mall West, MD	yes	in permitting
Frederick, MD	yes	in permitting
Riverdale Park, MD	yes	under construction
Baileyville, ME	yes	in permitting
Bethel, ME	yes	in permitting
Medway, ME	yes	under construction
Portland, ME	yes	under construction
Clare, MI	yes	operational
Escanaba, MI	yes	in permitting
Hudsonville, MI	yes	in permitting
Sault Sainte Marie, MI	yes	in permitting
Swartz Creek, MI	yes	awaiting power on / testing
Albert Lea II, MN	yes	in permitting
Alexandria, MN	yes	in permitting
Robbinsdale, MN	yes	under construction
St Charles - Streets of St Charles, MO	yes	operational
Bismarck, ND	yes	in permitting
Dickinson, ND	yes	in permitting
Fargo, ND	maybe	in permitting
Jamestown, ND	maybe	in site selection
Pembina, ND	yes	in permitting
Rochester, NH	yes	in permitting
Barnegat Township, NJ	yes	operational
Basking Ridge, NJ	yes	under construction
Boonton, NJ	yes	under construction
Cape May, NJ	yes	under construction
Deptford, NJ	yes	in permitting
East Brunswick II, NJ	yes	awaiting power on / testing
Phillipsburg, NJ	yes	in permitting
Robbinsville, NJ	yes	awaiting power on / testing
Toms River, NJ	yes	under construction
Wall Township, NJ	yes	in permitting
Incline Village, NV	yes	under construction hiatus
Las Vegas - Alta Drive, NV	yes	operational
Las Vegas - Tivoli Village, NV	yes	operational
Middletown, NY	yes	under construction
Oneonta, NY	yes	in permitting
Ossining, NY	yes	awaiting power on / testing
West Nyack, NY	yes	awaiting power on / testing
Yorktown Heights, NY	yes	awaiting power on / testing
Columbus - Polaris Parkway, OH	yes	awaiting power on / testing
Philadelphia - East Market, PA	yes	operational
Wall, SD	yes	under construction
Nashville - Downtown, TN	yes	permit issued
Austin - Stonelake Blvd, TX	yes	under construction
Burleson, TX	yes	under construction
Fort Worth - Monahans Avenue, TX	yes	in permitting
Giddings, TX	yes	in permitting
Henrietta, TX	yes	under construction
Houston - Downtown, TX	maybe	in site selection / design
San Antonio, TX	yes	in permitting
Webster, TX	yes	under construction
Leesburg, VA	yes	awaiting transformer / hookup
Salem, VA	yes	under construction
Tysons, VA	yes	in permitting
Auburn, WA	yes	under construction
Blaine, WA	yes	under construction
Bellevue, WA	yes	in permitting?
Seattle, WA	yes	under construction
Tumwater, WA	yes	in permitting
Casper, WY	maybe	in site selection
Medicine Hat, AB	yes	permit issued?
Salmon Arm, BC	maybe	in design/permitting
Vancouver - Howe Street, BC	yes	operational
Brandon, MB	yes	in design/permitting
Portage la Prairie, MB	yes	in design/permitting
Prawda, MB	yes	in permitting
Winnipeg, MB	yes	in permitting
Quispamsis, NB	yes	under construction
Salisbury, NB	yes	under construction
Woodstock, NB	yes	under construction
Enfield, NS	maybe	awaiting construction
Blind River, ON	maybe	in permitting?
Brockville, ON	yes	in design/permitting
Ignace, ON	yes	in permitting
Kincardine, ON	maybe	in permitting?
Nipigon, ON	yes	in permitting
North Bay, ON	yes	under construction
North York, ON	yes	operational
Renfrew, ON	yes	in permitting
Terrace Bay, ON	yes	in permitting
Vaughan, ON	yes	in permitting
Woodbridge, ON	maybe	in design/permitting
Moosomin, SK	yes	in permitting
Regina, SK	maybe	in design/permitting

Here are the remaining 387 superchargers Coming Soon in 2019 that haven't been found yet:
Dothan AL, Montgomery AL, Tuscaloosa AL, Globe AZ, Kayenta AZ, Phoenix AZ, Arkadelphia AR, Bentonville AR, Blytheville AR, Clarksville AR, Forrest City AR, Fort Smith AR, Adin CA, Bakersfield CA, Beverly Hills CA, Bishop CA, Brea CA, Cambria CA, Castro Valley CA, Cerritos CA, Chino Hills CA, Chula Vista CA, Commerce CA, Costa Mesa CA, Dana Point CA, Del Mar CA, El Cajon CA, Escondido CA, Folsom CA, Fresno CA, Greenville CA, Half Moon Bay CA, Hesperia CA, Highland CA, Hollywood CA, Indio CA, Irvine CA, Kirkwood CA, Kramer Junction CA, Lakewood CA, Long Beach CA, Los Altos CA, Malibu CA, Marina Del Rey CA, Mariposa CA, Mendocino CA, Merced CA, Mission Viejo CA, Mojave CA, Montebello CA, Moreno Valley CA, Mountain View CA, Newell CA, Northridge CA, Oakland CA, Ontario CA, Pacific Palisades CA, Palm Desert CA, Palmdale CA, Playa Vista CA, Pomona CA, Redding CA, Redondo Beach CA, San Diego CA - La Jolla, San Dimas CA, San Francisco CA, San Francisco - Financial District CA, San Francisco - Mission CA, San Francisco - SOMA CA, San Mateo CA, San Rafael CA, San Ysidro CA, Santa Barbara CA, Santa Clara CA, Santa Cruz CA, Santa Rosa CA, Sherman Oaks CA, Simi Valley CA, Sonoma CA, Sonora CA, Stockton CA, Studio City CA, Susanville CA, Truckee CA, Tustin CA, Venice CA, Ventura CA, Vista CA, Walnut Creek CA, West Covina CA, Westwood CA, Williams CA, Woodland CA, Woodside CA, Alamosa CO, Conifer CO, Denver CO, Denver - Cherry Creek CO, Denver - Tech Center CO, Idaho Springs CO, Montrose CO, Steamboat Springs CO, Telluride CO, Walsenburg CO, Darien CT, New London CT, North Canaan CT, Torrington CT, Trumbull CT, Columbia Heights DC, Washington NE DC, Washington SE DC, Washington DC, Beach Park FL, Boca Raton FL, Cocoa West FL, Destin FL, Hollywood FL, Key West FL, Lakeland FL, Miami Beach - Bal Harbour FL, Miami Beach - South Beach FL, Miami - Coral Gables FL, Millenia FL, North Naples FL, Ochopee (Alligator Alley) FL, Palm Coast FL, Pensacola FL, Tampa - Clear Water FL, Tampa - Wesley Chapel FL, Union Park FL, Weston FL, Winter Garden FL, Winter Park FL, Yeehaw Junction FL, Alpharetta GA, Atlanta - Cumberland GA, College Park GA, Columbus GA, Forest Park GA, Madison GA, Metter GA, Sandy Springs GA, Honolulu HI, Kailua HI, Maui HI, Heyburn ID, Mountain Home ID, Chicago – Bridgeport IL, Evanston IL, Evergreen Park IL, Joliet IL, Marion IL, Northbrook IL, Oak Brook IL, Oak Park IL, Bloomington IN, Elberfeld IN, Overland Park KS, Emporia KS, Elizabethtown KY, Maysville KY, New Orleans LA, Bar Harbor ME, Skowhegan ME, West Forks ME, Elkridge MD, Greenbelt MD, Halethorpe MD, Hanover MD, Ocean City MD, Rossville MD, Boston - Seaport MA, Burlington MA, Charlestown MA, Falmouth MA, Lawrence MA, Marlborough MA, Revere MA, Somerville MA, South Dennis MA, Waltham MA, Detroit MI, Mackinaw City MI, Marquette MI, Novi MI, Bloomington MN, Maple Grove MN, Minneapolis MN, Minnetonka MN, Richfield MN, St Paul MN, St. Louis Park MN, Brookhaven MS, Hattiesburg MS, Brentwood MO, St. Louis MO, Bighorn MT, Glendive MT, Great Falls MT, Helena MT, Kalispell MT, Miles City MT, Shelby MT, Primm NV, Reno NV, North Conway NH, Wolfeboro NH, Bridgewater NJ, Cherry Hill NJ, Edgewater NJ, Elizabeth NJ, Hackensack NJ, Hamilton Township NJ, Mount Laurel NJ, Newark NJ, Pompton Lakes NJ, Roxbury Township NJ, Summit NJ, Wayne NJ, West Orange NJ, Clayton NM, Clovis NM, Grants NM, Soccoro NM, Astoria NY, Bath Beach NY, Bay Shore NY, Bedford Hills NY, Bergen Beach NY, Brooklyn Heights NY, Buffalo NY, Centuck NY, Chelsea NY, East Hampton NY, Elmhurst NY, Flushing NY, Gowanus NY, Harlem NY, Ithaca NY, Kips Bay NY, Lake Placid NY, Little Neck NY, Mahwah NY, Manorville NY, Port Chester NY, Scarsdale NY, Shirley NY, Upper East Side NY, Wantagh NY, White Plains NY, Woodbury NY, Durham NC, Point Harbor NC, Grand Forks ND, Akron OH, Chillicothe OH, Cleveland OH, Henryetta OK, Boardman OR, Burns OR, Hood River OR, Madras OR, Newport OR, Ontario OR, Portland OR, Portland NW OR, Portland NE OR, Portland SE OR, Roseburg OR, Salem OR, Bridesburg PA, King of Prussia PA, Pittsburgh PA, Plymouth Meeting PA, Springfield PA, Swartzville PA, Newport RI, Charleston SC, Austin - Downtown TX, Beaumont TX, Boerne TX, Brenham TX, Cedar Park TX, College Station TX, Dallas (Downtown) TX, Dilley TX, Falfurrias TX, Fredericksburg TX, Houston TX, Houston TX - Uptown, Lubbock TX, San Angelo TX, Selma TX, Ogden UT, Park City UT, Provo UT, Lyndon VT, Rutland VT, Fairfax VA, Gainesville VA, Newport News VA, Roanoke VA, Chelan WA, Enumclaw WA, Forks WA, Kirkland - Totem Lake WA, Longview WA, Okanogan WA, Olympia WA, Ritzville WA, Seattle - Northgate WA, Seattle - University Village WA, Snoqualmie WA, Spokane WA, Tacoma WA, Yakima WA, Lake Geneva WI, Milwaukee WI, Sturgeon Bay WI, Waukesha WI, Cody WY, Bassano AB, Calgary AB, Burnaby BC, Castlegar BC, Creston BC, Fernie BC, Grand Forks BC, Osoyoos BC, Princeton BC, Richmond BC, Sicamous BC, Vancouver - North BC, Vancouver - West BC, White Rock BC, Reynolds MB, Moncton NB, Saint John NB, Batchawana Bay ON, Blind River ON, Bracebridge ON, Brampton ON, Deep River ON, Dryden ON, Espanola ON, Kenora ON, Mississauga ON, Nepean ON, Newmarket ON, Orangeville ON, Orillia ON, Perth ON, Peterborough ON, Sault Ste. Marie ON, Scarborough ON, St. Catharines ON, Strathroy ON, Thunder Bay ON, Toronto - Liberty Village ON, Toronto - The Annex ON, Toronto - Yonge / Eglinton ON, Upsala ON, Waterloo ON, Wawa ON, Weston ON, White River ON, Charlemagne QC, Gatineau QC, Griffintown QC, La Pocatière QC, Lachute QC, Lebourgneuf QC, L’Étape QC, Saguenay QC, Saint Georges QC, Saint Sauveur QC, Saint Therese QC, Sherbrooke QC, Chaplin SK, Maple Creek SK, Moose Jaw SK, Swift Current SK, Wolsely SK

 

[cpa]

The Fresno Service Center recently opened up. Hurrah! I heard from some fellow owners who attended the grand opening that a Tesla regional representative was present. The person asked the owners present to suggest locations for the second Fresno Supercharger. Given this informal discussion between locals and a regional representative, I have to conclude that any Supercharger here (including expanding the existing site) will be shelved until 2020.

Since Visalia (about 60 miles south of the existing Fresno Supercharger) appears to be getting off the ground and is in planning discussions, the urgency to add another location in Fresno is not as great. With Merced on the list too, Tesla may decide to erect all three locations consecutively next year.

 

[chibi_kurochan]

Did anybody else notice California supercharging rate is now $0.26/kWh all across the board

 

[Araman0]

Does anyone know if Tesla discloses how much superchargers cost them to run annually? I’ve always been both impressed and surprised that Tesla continues to aggressively build out Supercharger sites when each one costs them potentially 6 figures in capital expenses, followed by potentially tens of thousands annually in maintenance and electricity. (The amount they charge customers for electricity surely doesn’t even cover their own electric bill, leave alone other maintenance and potential rent costs). They do have the option of doing (in the US) what they did in Europe and allowing their vehicles to be compatible with both the Tesla Superchargers as well as third party CCS chargers to not only lighten the load on superchargers, but also increase the locations where it is possible to charge the car with CCS. I’m happy for every new supercharger site that opens (I have free supercharging) but always wonder how sustainable continued aggressive expansion and operation of superchargers is to their bottom line. If there are any hard numbers on costs published I would love to see them.

 

[Fiver]

Did anybody else notice California supercharging rate is now $0.26/kWh all across the board

They changed it awhile ago. It's now a flat rate everywhere in the US depending on if the state allows them to just sell by the kWh or if they have to charge by the minute. In places they can sell electricity by the kWh it's .28 cents no matter where you are. In the states they have to charge by the minute it's now .26 cents when charging above 60kW, and only .13 cents when charging below 60kW (into the taper).

Gone are the days where every state had a different rate. Before there were dozens of possible costs, now it's down to just 3 possible charge ($) rates: Flat Rate, above 60kW, or below 60kW.

Tesla's SC website has a breakdown: Supercharging

 

[bkp_duke]

Does anyone know if Tesla discloses how much superchargers cost them to run annually? I’ve always been both impressed and surprised that Tesla continues to aggressively build out Supercharger sites when each one costs them potentially 6 figures in capital expenses, followed by potentially tens of thousands annually in maintenance and electricity. (The amount they charge customers for electricity surely doesn’t even cover their own electric bill, leave alone other maintenance and potential rent costs). They do have the option of doing (in the US) what they did in Europe and allowing their vehicles to be compatible with both the Tesla Superchargers as well as third party CCS chargers to not only lighten the load on superchargers, but also increase the locations where it is possible to charge the car with CCS. I’m happy for every new supercharger site that opens (I have free supercharging) but always wonder how sustainable continued aggressive expansion and operation of superchargers is to their bottom line. If there are any hard numbers on costs published I would love to see them.

This viewpoint is incredibly short-sighted, and instead you should be asking yourself how many buyers have been tipped over to the buy column simply because the supercharger network is so extensive.

Additionally, Tesla does not foot the bill exclusively for Supercharger build out, maintenance, and power. There are very intricate negotiations that go into each site with cost and revenue sharing for the property owner and Tesla.

 

[PeterK]

Given that there are locations where they're unable to cope with the capacity needs as it is, they should really start upgrading all of the high-usage V2 locations to V3, and then repurpose the equipment that they remove, so that the cost of adding superchargers in likely low-volume-but-interesting locations is basically just the cost of labor. I'm sure there have to be places where they think, "We'd like to have a supercharger here, but we can't justify the cost."

This is a great idea, that preserves resources through re-use. It may cost more in installation labor, but saves on capital investment.