EVRider-FL
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My recollection: when NoA was introduced, it was included in EAP.
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Tesla to increase cost of FSD beta software beyond its $12,000 price tag
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ucmndd
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Because it didn’t exist when EAP was introduced.
However, every single car that ever bought EAP received NOA as a feature when it was released.
My December 2016 MS with EAP most definitely has NOA, and if that doesn’t qualify as “Original EAP” then nothing does.
That is my recollection also.
My brain is fuzzy on the details though, although because I bought FSD around the same time I can't remember with any certainty which came first. I do remember that I got it during the firesale and my reasoning was so I'd get the HW3 upgrade which seemed like a reasonable deal.
Nosken
Active Member
I know it wasn’t there originally, but you are probably correct, except, I had paid for FSD, so I got it regardless. Sorry for my confusion.
Tam
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It's fine that people buy FSD knowing they still have to drive the FSD and take responsibility for FSD.
On the other hand, I bought FSD because after listening to many pitches from Elon Musk, I thought my car would drive itself very soon, in months, not years, not decades, not centuries.
After Tesla dropped its RADAR instead of adding more sensors like LIDAR, I suspect Tesla's method is unsound.
The timing of announcing a price increase is inappropriate after AI Addict collided with the green bollard, multiple complaints of false slowdowns (phantom brakes), expanding the NHTSA investigation...
Mercedes is selling its EQS Drive Pilot for $7,726 in Germany. It will get permits from California and Nevada next year (not the entire 50 states due to different local laws, while the EU has one unified law for self-driving cars). Its Drive Pilot is L3 up to 37 MPH, and Mercedes is taking all liabilities that may happen during the operation of L3. Beyond 37 MPH, it becomes L2, just like Tesla highway Autopilot and the driver is responsible for the drive (and accidents) during the operation of L2.
On the other hand, I bought FSD because after listening to many pitches from Elon Musk, I thought my car would drive itself very soon, in months, not years, not decades, not centuries.
After Tesla dropped its RADAR instead of adding more sensors like LIDAR, I suspect Tesla's method is unsound.
The timing of announcing a price increase is inappropriate after AI Addict collided with the green bollard, multiple complaints of false slowdowns (phantom brakes), expanding the NHTSA investigation...
Mercedes is selling its EQS Drive Pilot for $7,726 in Germany. It will get permits from California and Nevada next year (not the entire 50 states due to different local laws, while the EU has one unified law for self-driving cars). Its Drive Pilot is L3 up to 37 MPH, and Mercedes is taking all liabilities that may happen during the operation of L3. Beyond 37 MPH, it becomes L2, just like Tesla highway Autopilot and the driver is responsible for the drive (and accidents) during the operation of L2.
I bought FSD for my current 2018 Model 3 for $3000, which was additional to the $5k I paid for Enhanced Autopilot. In four years, I have received an Autopilot computer upgrade for that $3k. That is it. The FSD beta currently running on my car is nowhere near useful, and it will be years before it is. At that point, my car would be very long-in-the-tooth. I have already ordered a replacement 3 and absolutely left FSD off the order. I did buy EAP though since it actually contains some useful features that will get better over time. FSD is so far from being useful that anybody buying it is throwing their money away. At $12k, it's a monumentally stupid purchase unless you really love beta testing. Another FSD price hike and I would expect it to be featured on a SNL skit.
_Redshift_
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Tesla to increase cost of FSD beta software beyond $12,000
The steep goal of getting to Level 4 autonomy might be even more of a reach for Tesla after the company recently lost its top AI architect Andrej Karpathy.techcrunch.com
Great decision. When demand is low, increase the price. Bizzarro world economics 101.
_Redshift_
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I liked the comment I saw on Twitter: "You mean I can save $12k if I just drive myself!"
Interesting perspective.
Interesting perspective.
TigerNinety
Member
I had FSD (not the beta) on a CPO 2016.5 MS 75D I bought; FSD just happened to be tossed in for the price I wanted to pay on a car that was otherwise perfect for me. I now have “just” AP on my new M3. The FSD feature I miss most (which isn’t a lot) is the ability to tell the car to change langes while in AP without leaving AP. The feature I have missed next most (believe it or not) is the “ding” for green lights, which I think will be bestowed on us with the latest update. If I could have it, I’d probably like to have Summon. Nothing else really worked reliably enough or in a practical way to be worth much.
I would never pay $12K for those two (or three) features. And, I’m not likely to let my $60K car drive itself in the city, and certainly not by itself anytime soon (eg, I wouldn’t expect to recoup the $12K anytime soon). And, that FSD I had before didn’t transfer after my car was totaled, so I’m once-bitten on investing in something that can be lost in an instant through no fault of mine.
Just my $.03…
I would never pay $12K for those two (or three) features. And, I’m not likely to let my $60K car drive itself in the city, and certainly not by itself anytime soon (eg, I wouldn’t expect to recoup the $12K anytime soon). And, that FSD I had before didn’t transfer after my car was totaled, so I’m once-bitten on investing in something that can be lost in an instant through no fault of mine.
Just my $.03…
I'd pay at least $20K if it was truly L5. I'm guessing that I'll be dead before that happens.
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Tam
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The idea of Self Driving that will come soon is not new.
83 years ago, or 1939, at the GM Futurama exhibit, it already envisioned that autonomous vehicles would be in the future soon.
Since then, year after year, progress has been made to achieve that goal.
Dream big, talk big is not a problem.
However, before Tesla, none has sold us a Self-Driving System.
That is the problem when Tesla takes payments from consumers for a Self-Driving System that still needs a human driver.
Tesla has started a trend that other car companies might want to copy: Take money from consumers for a non-existing product.
83 years ago, or 1939, at the GM Futurama exhibit, it already envisioned that autonomous vehicles would be in the future soon.
Since then, year after year, progress has been made to achieve that goal.
Dream big, talk big is not a problem.
However, before Tesla, none has sold us a Self-Driving System.
That is the problem when Tesla takes payments from consumers for a Self-Driving System that still needs a human driver.
Tesla has started a trend that other car companies might want to copy: Take money from consumers for a non-existing product.
This looks like the same playbook before, charging arm and leg to fund the research and development for future mass production. May be in a few years, FSD will become subscription only in a more tempting price.
I paid 8k for EAP+FSD 5 years ago believing some cool technologies will come in not so distant future... fast forward to now, only AP and lane change I really like, the others are just toys to show off at the moment. I wouldn't pay 12k or more now for a product that is up in the air and for sure no priority for earlier adopters in the future.
I paid 8k for EAP+FSD 5 years ago believing some cool technologies will come in not so distant future... fast forward to now, only AP and lane change I really like, the others are just toys to show off at the moment. I wouldn't pay 12k or more now for a product that is up in the air and for sure no priority for earlier adopters in the future.
Kind of. You had to first option Enhanced Autopilot, which was also $3K, so really $6K total.
The cost is at a point now that buying FSD is out of reach. I wouldn't think the average owner is going to dish out $12,000. So based on my thinking Tesla should go aead and make the price $25,000. The ones who would pay 12,000 will gladly pay 25,000.
CyberGus
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That's $100/month over 10 years.
When L4/L5 is available, I might pay monthly for the times it's useful, but for $100/month I can drive myself to the club.
This is an example of a common human-nature trait regarding relative wealth vs relative poverty:
thinking that people who have a little more - or who simply have chosen to purchase something that you consider an elective luxury - must be limitlessly rich with money to nurn, and/or must be very foolish with their money because they made a choice you didn't.
Whereas, whatever money you have and choose to spend as you do, certainly does ot put you in that category. Because, after all, you earned your money through hard work and smart financial planning, And it would be mighty unfair of someone else to believe that you're limitlessly rich or foolishly extravagant just because, for example, you drive around in a Tesla...
boonedocks
MS LR Blk/Blk 19”
Interesting part is they already ARE driving themselves whether they paid $12k or not
Took a drive today on the expressway. Turned car in opposite direction w NOA to a McDonalds. NAV calculated route. It would've go me there bu when I go to the exit it recalculated to a different exit (which I would've taken) and then it passes that for another exit. It passes and recalculates again and it shows the last exit I would've (and have taken). Right turn cloverleaf to southbound road. It gets there, doesn't signal and it's ready yo keep going. I naturally took over. So when I've complained about this before I've been told don't blame FSD for NAV. So if NAV calculates the road, isn't FSD mandated to take that route. I flagged the incident but I'll bet FSD 10.13 will fix this
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