ucmndd
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That’s a whole lot of added complexity and cost. I think it’s extremely unlikely.
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Tesla to Offer CCS charging adapter?
- Thread starter LouValencia
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If there is a passive adapter and easy ECU field replacement, nobody is going to pay for an extra charge port and all the high power wiring and contactors that would require.
As you may know, in China Tesla was forced to add dual GB/T charging ports. Fine for Models 3 & Y; not as good for Models S & X.
In Europe, due to the nature of standards there Tesla was able to get away with adding a single CCS2 port only to Models 3 & Y. And Models S & X have so far managed to still have just the single Type 2 (Menekes) charge port (and use a CCS2 adapter). (See Tesla Charge Ports....)
But a precedent has been set--i.e., that Tesla will cave in and change charging standards on its cars mid-stream (before major model changes and introductions).
So I worry that in North America Tesla could eventually bow to external and internal (political and financial) pressures and start adding CCS1 ports to cars in place of the traditional TPC (proprietary) ports.
In Europe, due to the nature of standards there Tesla was able to get away with adding a single CCS2 port only to Models 3 & Y. And Models S & X have so far managed to still have just the single Type 2 (Menekes) charge port (and use a CCS2 adapter). (See Tesla Charge Ports....)
But a precedent has been set--i.e., that Tesla will cave in and change charging standards on its cars mid-stream (before major model changes and introductions).
So I worry that in North America Tesla could eventually bow to external and internal (political and financial) pressures and start adding CCS1 ports to cars in place of the traditional TPC (proprietary) ports.
I won't worry about it until there are more 150kW+ CCS1 chargers than there are Tesla Superchargers. And while I expect that to happen, I don't expect it to happen for 5 years or more. (I'd guess ~15?)
Trying to retrofit the supercharger network to be CCS1 would be a PITA that Tesla would likely prefer to avoid, and will do work to avoid.
Trying to retrofit the supercharger network to be CCS1 would be a PITA that Tesla would likely prefer to avoid, and will do work to avoid.
RTPEV
Active Member
It's not the quantity that matters, it's the placement. There could be one CCS charger (even a 50kW unit) that happens to bridge a gap between Superchargers on a route you travel frequently for it to be well worth the investment to you.
Do I see this as being likely or the case for most people? No, not really. But talk to some of the folks that travel I-26 in South Carolina, or who travel to the mountains in Boone, NC if they could make use of a CCS (or CHAdeMO) adapter and you will get a resounding YES! And while I don't have any first-hand knowledge, I hear the same from people traveling between California and Idaho.
And Oklahoma and the Lubbock, TX seem to be under-represented by Superchargers:
vs. DC fastchargers:
I agree, but the longer they wait, the worse it becomes.
Sorry for any confusion, I'm VERY MUCH on team "can I buy an adapter now? please? super please?" camp. In my neighborhood, there are several places where the Tesla charger is less conveniently located than the EA one... off at a hotel/casino/etc a distance from food/convenience store, vs. at a Wallmart+other things right off the highway. I was just replying to "Telsa will shift to CCS soon" comments: I don't see that happening.
RPYT
Member
I would just like the ability to purchase the adapter. The city of Pasadena offers free charging. I have the CHAdeMO adapter but capped at 45 kWh. They just installed 175 kWh CCS chargers which other vehicles that are capable of utilizing the CCS unit and are able to get an avg of 110-130 kWh.
JetFalcon
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How does Tesla charge money to a non Tesla vehicle? I assumed we get charged (money) by the fact our Tesla vehicles have our account & payment info.
In the trial currently running in the Netherlands, people who want to Supercharge their non-Tesla vehicle download the Tesla app and go into the special page for Supercharger access. You enter a payment method, choose the charger stall and start it, all in the app.
No. People have tried buying them from Korea and using intermediaries to receive and then ship them over here, but Tesla seems to have figured out how to detect and stop that.
They are preventing adapters to be purchased for cars outside Korea (adapter purchase is linked to account/VIN) even if you try to have it shipped to a Korean address to get forwarded to you. Also only allow 1 adapter per VIN so people in Korea cannot purchase extras to sell either.
Just speculating, but probably the same for South Korea CHAdeMO adapters, also.
For a time, it seemed to me (from afar) that South Korea held a possible answer for Tesla owners who (a) moved with their cars from a TPC (Tesla proprietary connector) country (e.g., Japan, South Korea, or North America) to a Type 2/CCS2 country (e.g., in Europe, Australia or New Zealand where a Tesla CHAdeMO TPC adapter could help)* or (b) needed a genuine Tesla CCS adapter in North America. While other countries experienced recent disappearance or ongoing lack of two key adapters, South Korea still had both the Tesla CHAdeMO and CCS1 adapters with TPC plugs. Unfortunately Tesla has apparently felt it necessary to halt attempted exports (to clever North American drivers). I understand, in part. But it seems a shame.
Meanwhile, I can understand Tesla's alleged desire to discourage the purchase of certain aftermarket (e.g., Setac CCS1) adapters. But if Tesla is going to hold up the export of its own equipment from one charging-standard region to another, and compete aggressively against 3rd-party alternatives, the least it should do is to guarantee the full range of Tesla options in each region. In other words, with CHAdeMO adapter sales ended (as of 11/21), adequate numbers of reasonably-priced Tesla CCS1 adapters (and hardware retrofits) are needed for all models ASAP in North America.
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* And it is not just (a likely relatively small number of) people choosing to immigrate with their personal cars. We now know that a significant portion of used car sales in some countries--like New Zealand--is composed of vehicles imported from Japan (a country with a different charging standard). So buyers of these exported Tesla vehicles are not necessarily to blame. Car exporters may need to be held responsible. Are prospective owners educated about charging standard complications before purchase?
For a time, it seemed to me (from afar) that South Korea held a possible answer for Tesla owners who (a) moved with their cars from a TPC (Tesla proprietary connector) country (e.g., Japan, South Korea, or North America) to a Type 2/CCS2 country (e.g., in Europe, Australia or New Zealand where a Tesla CHAdeMO TPC adapter could help)* or (b) needed a genuine Tesla CCS adapter in North America. While other countries experienced recent disappearance or ongoing lack of two key adapters, South Korea still had both the Tesla CHAdeMO and CCS1 adapters with TPC plugs. Unfortunately Tesla has apparently felt it necessary to halt attempted exports (to clever North American drivers). I understand, in part. But it seems a shame.
Meanwhile, I can understand Tesla's alleged desire to discourage the purchase of certain aftermarket (e.g., Setac CCS1) adapters. But if Tesla is going to hold up the export of its own equipment from one charging-standard region to another, and compete aggressively against 3rd-party alternatives, the least it should do is to guarantee the full range of Tesla options in each region. In other words, with CHAdeMO adapter sales ended (as of 11/21), adequate numbers of reasonably-priced Tesla CCS1 adapters (and hardware retrofits) are needed for all models ASAP in North America.
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* And it is not just (a likely relatively small number of) people choosing to immigrate with their personal cars. We now know that a significant portion of used car sales in some countries--like New Zealand--is composed of vehicles imported from Japan (a country with a different charging standard). So buyers of these exported Tesla vehicles are not necessarily to blame. Car exporters may need to be held responsible. Are prospective owners educated about charging standard complications before purchase?
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