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Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the 2019 Investors' Roundtable

Discussion in 'TSLA Investor Discussions' started by AudubonB, Dec 28, 2018.

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    Who owns a TV network here to run a new Tesla ad by Viv?
    Viv on Twitter
     
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    Bad ad, AP is not FSD. The FSD video shouldn't be used when referring to AP.
     
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    These laws are used to charge protestors with the threat of 25 years prison time for blocking a truck. These laws are entirely for corrupt purposes.

    Funny how vicious these laws are, more prison time for stepping in front of a truck , then you would get for stealing said truck and running someone over with it ON PURPOSE.
     
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    I think I’ll be adding to my position in shares and leaps after the next quarterly call.

    Given the success of the Model 3 I don’t see how China GF, model Y are fully priced in unless free cash flow is negative. Euro GF, semi, pickup and plaid drivetrain are just extra cake on top of the cake. Solar & energy are the frosting.
     
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    If they don't affect the SP, then how are they "manipulations"?
     
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    He's saying the covering is done in a subtle way that doesn't cause the price to fluctuate much if at all
     
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    #86429 Papafox, Sep 20, 2019
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    SpaceCash nailed it. The idea is to sell in a manner that pushes the stock price down the most and then cover in a way that has the least upward push to the stock price. Doing five 40K sales (each within a minute) during normal market trading hours and then covering 200K shares during the 4:00pm minute yields a net pushdown effect. Look how low the volume gets midday. Sometimes you will see a pushdown begin at 2pm and go into close when there's no news and absolutely minimal macro dip to support it. There are lots of ways to affect the stock price if you are a hedge fund which sold call options and you have lots of money available to protect those options.

    Usually manipulations are camouflaged by happening simultaneously with another event, such as FUD or a small dip in the NASDAQ. Investors can say, "Ah, I see, the stock is heading down because Mark Spiegel has made yet another brilliant comment (/s)" or "TSLA is just following the NASDAQ today." It's not uncommon to see up to a 7X larger response of TSLA than the NASDAQ dip, and yet investors don't see the manipulation because there is clearly visible a more apparent activity with which to correlate the TSLA dip.
     
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    Interesting read. Wouldn't this have been a simpler demand message:
    1. Governments to incentivise, outlaw, penalise & enable 100% purchasing of EVs, solar, wind, no plastic packaging, no SF6, battery storage power plants, no new gas heated/cooled buildings & positive net reforestation by 2025
    2. People / companies to get on with it regardless of the useless governments. Allow them to claim subsidies retrospectively.
     
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    I've been following Tesla Japan for... reasons, and recently there has been a number of people tagging them with their newly acquired Model 3. No numbers, but still good news for EOQ!
     
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    Single best ever "not an advert" for Tesla?

    Hopefully this will get some traction.
     
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    #86433 RobStark, Sep 21, 2019
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    You have the right to protest.

    You don't have the right to stop someone else performing their job and carrying out legal business.

    You don't get that right because you believe you are on the side of angels.

    That goes to abortion protestors as well as climate protesters. Left,Right, and Center.

    Democracy can't function like that.
     
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    Solution: said protestors should just hijack those trucks at gunpoint and drive them off a cliff. If they get caught, it’s still less prison time than for protesting.
     
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    I feel like you guys are talking past each other. I don’t think the argument is: “people should be able to just randomly block any construction trucks they want for any reason with no punishment”. Rather, it’s that 25 years in prison is an absurd(and arguably unconstitutional) sentence for such an offense. If an 18 year old kid participated in the protests, blocking a truck from starting, they would be thrown in prison until they’re 43. They almost might as well just go all the way with it and give the death penalty.
     
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    #86436 Fact Checking, Sep 21, 2019
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    The Keystone Pipeline (Dakota Access) was force-built on dispossessed land owned by others, against the wishes and in violation of the rights of the land owners:

    "Many in the Standing Rock tribe considered the pipeline and its intended crossing of the Missouri River to constitute a threat to the region's clean water and to ancient burial grounds."
    So in your world the Koch's right to profit from Canadian tar sands oil fields trumps the property rights, water rights and religious rights of Indian reservation owners, and their rights to peacefully protest the violation of those property rights, water rights and religious rights by the Keystone Pipeline?

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    The libertarian in you should be deeply upset at this act of using corrupt state power to dispossess privately owned land.

    The worries of the property owners were well founded:


    These unconstitutional laws were created in response to the express lobbying of Koch Industries who was worried about the Keystone (Dakota Access) Pipeline - which kind of corruption has nothing to do with democracy: it's the perversion of the democratic process for private financial gain.

    But that's not what these laws do: they don't protect Tesla production from protesters.

    These laws were specifically created to protect the oil industry, carefully drafted by Koch lobbyists to exclude green technologies by giving captured state buerocrats the power to designate certain facilities as "critical" - such as pipelines that weren't in production yet and weren't actually critical to anything but Koch profits:

    Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

    "Bills criminalizing trespassing near oil pipelines, gas processing equipment and other designated “critical infrastructure” passed this year in Indiana, North Dakota, South Dakota, Tennessee and Texas -- building on similar measures previously enacted in Oklahoma and other states."​

    No matter which side of the political debate you are on, if stopping a truck non-violently in a peaceful protest to protest the violation of your property rights, water rights and religious rights can lead to more prison time than stealing the truck and murdering someone with it intentionally, if this doesn't disturb you, then there's something deeply wrong with your moral compass and sense of justice.
     
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    So to make it clear what happened, this is how close the Keystone Pipeline goes to Standing Rock Reservation (Sioux County):

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    Note that:
    • While the pipeline doesn't go through the reservation, any oil spill near the river or the rivers going into Missouri River would pollute the waters and land downstream and thus violate the property rights of the Standing Rock owners of land. Oil spills are not an "if" but a "when" - and the Obama administration recognized it when they stopped federal approval of the project.
    • Note the "1851 Treaty Camp" site the pipeline goes straight through - the irony is heavy there.
    • Note the section marked as "Archeological sites preemptively bulldozed on Sept. 3" ... a blatant violation of religious rights.
    • Note that the earlier pipeline route (dashed line) was rejected by regulators due to the danger to the drinking waters of Bismarck. Violating the water rights of Sioux County instead is ... how democracy works according to @RobStark?
     
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