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Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

Cosmacelf

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Mar 6, 2013
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19,530
San Diego
Sounds like elon has been deliberately pausing the semi for quite a while due to the cell gap. No wonder he is so keen to ramp up cell production. More and more, teslas entire business is just the story of how rapidly they can churn out battery cells.

It's been like that since 2014 or so. Which is why they built giga Nevada. And will probably remain like that for the next decade. Which is why they are now building their own factories to make cells.
 

Cherry Wine

Supporting Member
Oct 4, 2018
2,318
17,581
California
Yes that seems to be the case. Makes sense. Kato road, while it is a big pilot plant, is still testing out different technologies, and currently constantly iterating.

This was a great response for several reasons: doesn't give investors concerns that guidance is dependent upon a potentially difficult technology ramp (perhaps giving some investors flashbacks to the Model 3 ramp), and doesn't cause consumers to put off purchases in the near term for hopes of buying a superior product.
 

avoigt

Active Member
Sep 5, 2017
2,790
37,866
Germany
ER has been a great payback for waiting +4 years for this stock to pop

Amazing results and a great call but the best is I expect Q4 to be better and 2021 a year with 900k to 1Mio production vehicles. Not to mention TE is finally ramping closer to the steep part of the S curve.

Lots of gems in the call that deserve more attention

Future looks awesome and predictions to come true
 

StarFoxisDown!

Active Member
Jan 23, 2019
2,182
15,527
Seattle
If I'm remembering this right, Tesla said they expect to recognize like 500-600 million in FSD deferred revenue in the 2nd half of 2020. On the earnings call, Zach said they only recognized an additional 10 million in Q3. So if they get this FSD build out to wide release before the end of the year, it's correct to assume Tesla will recognize an additional 500 million or so in profit, correct?
 

Cosmacelf

Well-Known Member
Mar 6, 2013
8,264
19,530
San Diego
If I'm remembering this right, Tesla said they expect to recognize like 500-600 million in FSD deferred revenue in the 2nd half of 2020. On the earnings call, Zach said they only recognized an additional 10 million in Q3. So if they get this FSD build out to wide release before the end of the year, it's correct to assume Tesla will recognize an additional 500 million or so in profit, correct?

It's still very much a big if (think Elon time), but I think, yes. Personally, I wouldn't expect it until 1Q21 at the earliest.
 

AudubonB

One can NOT induce accuracy with precision!
Mar 24, 2013
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25,784
Elon just gave the best answer to comparing Tesla to traditional car companies. Traditional companies do "catalog engineering" where they buy parts from suppliers. Now, those suppliers aren't slouches, they do innovate. But they don't do full car engineering, which Tesla does, so the starting point, the design, of a Tesla car in going to be better in terms of functionality and cost.

Then Tesla goes further in that they build the manufacturing machines themselves. Or invents a new castable aluminum alloy.

But even that is underselling the differences. Other car companies don't own their own sales, delivery and service networks. So when thinking about the value of Tesla as a car company, you should be including the value of each mom and pop car dealership in 40 different countries.

And there's more. Tesla energy will, over time, be as big as the car business.

There's even more, but you get the idea. No wonder Tesla's market cap is so high.
I liked everything about your post except for the final sentence, as I’d have written it as “So why is Tesla’s market cap so low?”
 

H Mak

Member
Mar 16, 2020
372
5,266
Liverpool
What other CEO, when asked a question about factory production would say "It starts off exponential, becomes linear, then turns logarithmic. It's like sliding 10,000 S curves onto the x-axis"?
I have no idea what he's talking about, but I love it.

These earnings calls have become part of my calendar, alongside Christmas, daughters birthdays, cup final day etc. Beers drunk, headphones on, notes taken, spreadsheet updated. After each one I go for a wander round the garden and ask myself the same question - am I still comfortable having 50% of my lifetime savings tied up in this one company? Every single time it's the same answer, a big banging Yes.
 

Electroman

Supporting Member
Aug 18, 2012
6,114
6,167
TX
I know everyone is excited about the numbers (I am too), but for forward looking, I think this was the most important slide in the ER. It summarizes battery day nicely, and reading the details in it, there is a lot of clarification and detail. And when digesting this slide, we can see not just end goals, but clear steps along the way in the next 3 years.

I'm most excited about this slide, more-so than all others. We should expect marked battery cost reductions each quarter, probably beginning in 6-9 months time, which will have DRASTIC effects on the bottom line and gross margins.

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What is conspicuously missing on that slide is the simple Lithium extraction process - the one item that was on the battery day that got the most skepticism & ridicule.
 
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bkp_duke

Active Member
May 15, 2016
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15,686
San Diego, CA
My biggest concern about the structural battery (which is great engineering- the battery is no longer carried like luggage, but rather displaces structural members), is after an accident where the pack took an impact, how long do you have before some type of anomaly appears due to a stress fracture or something else due to the accident? I doubt you'll be able to go back to the insurance claim months/years later when your battery takes a sh!t and have it covered. Just a "worry" of mine....

Pretty sure that just because the pack is "structural" doesn't mean it is not modular/replaceable.

Besides, having worked on a few Tesla Model S's, I can say if the impact has enough force to damage the pack like that, the car will 100% be totaled.
 

AudubonB

One can NOT induce accuracy with precision!
Mar 24, 2013
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25,784
Does this sound right?

Deliveries:
2021 ~900k
2022: ~1.4m
2023: ~1.9-2m
2024: ~2.8-3.1m
2025: ~3.8-4.2m
2026: ~5.7-6.3m
2027: ~7.5-8.5m
2028: ~11-12m
2029: ~15-16m
2030: ~19-21m
Please take to heart Mr Musk’s admonitions about how sensitive to the slightest perturbations the middle portion of an S-shaped curve is. Rather, look to the long term and ignore the mid-term - and, of course, the short-term. That is why so many in this forum adhere to the HODL Principle.
 

insaneoctane

Active Member
Apr 6, 2016
3,369
5,183
Southern California
Pretty sure that just because the pack is "structural" doesn't mean it is not modular/replaceable.

Besides, having worked on a few Tesla Model S's, I can say if the impact has enough force to damage the pack like that, the car will 100% be totaled.
I guess the right way to think about this is if Tesla really does get the cell price down 56% per plan, then it's cheap enough to be replaceable (unlike today)
 

bkp_duke

Active Member
May 15, 2016
4,957
15,686
San Diego, CA
I have been struggling keeping some dry powder for a post macro correction buying frenzy. I almost used some this week. If the stock goes down tomorrow, I'll struggle even harder...

Same position.

I'm strongly considering liquidating some other assets . . . but I've historically been conservative with my investments and letting TSLA grow to such a large portion of the portfolio gives me pause.

0 World problems (I wouldn't even call this 1st world, but something "above that". Would that be 0?).
 

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