This! All other websites are working for me, but maybe it is on my end somehow? Update: It was on my end, sorry, but I do think tesla.com will be a bit busier today!
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Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable
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What I do not understand is why the S&P has created such a long gap between announcement and inclusion date ?
Do they want to screw over all their funds ? Give 4 weeks to the speculators to run up the price before the funds can buy ?
Do they want to screw over all their funds ? Give 4 weeks to the speculators to run up the price before the funds can buy ?
This is worth re-posting. Thanks TalkingMule for perfectly capturing my exact feelings!
What I do not understand is why the S&P has created such a long gap between announcement and inclusion date ?
Do they want to screw over all their funds ? Give 4 weeks to the speculators to run up the price before the funds can buy ?
Do they want to screw over all their funds ? Give 4 weeks to the speculators to run up the price before the funds can buy ?
Words of HABIT
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I felt a great disturbance in the Farce, as if millions of short sellers suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced.
Paracelsus
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S&P estimates that $51 billion of TSLA will be bought by Index fund holders. At $408.09 per share, that's about 125M shares of TSLA that need buying.
The total MAX. float is about 770M shares (counting even those that wouldn't sell, but technically COULD sell).
125/770 ~ 16% of TSLA's float will be up for grabs between now and Dec 21st. That's gonna leave a mark...
Merry Christmas!
a perfectly timed addition to avoid any capital gains increases under the next administration. It must have been a real conundrum for the S&P500 secret society - “hmmm, we sure make a lot of money being able to manipulate TSLA because it isn’t in the S&P500 yet, and that opportunity is diminished once we add it, but if we add it in 2020 we likely won’t pay as much capital gains on the squeeze under Trump as we will under Biden. How bout we keep screwing with TSLA investors till the very end of 2020 AND we add TSLA before Biden is in office “.
Looks like they got both of those Xmas wishes to come true ........
So anyone know exactly what the weighting of TSLA will be in the index?
$4.6 Trillion was the amount mentioned in that CNBC clip of S&P500 funds directly tracking the index (these will have to buy TSLA) out of $11 Trillion+ which are "benchmarked" to the index (an unknown amount of these funds might buy more TSLA).
IMO it’s quite the opposite. I think they are giving time for the stock price to settle down and also maybe allows funds to add gradually?
Favguy
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It's not luck, just endurance trial level patience! Congratulations allHaha I know! Some days you just get lucky!
RedAss shorty spanker.Because the amount of money is so much larger than usual, they estimate ~$51 billion of TSLA stock, they are asking for advice on how to complete it. That takes extra time to gather, review, make a decision, and then share it with everyone.
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Artful Dodger
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After-hrs volume already 7.8m shares (with still 50 min trading remaining).
This is the highest % of A/hrs Vol to Main session Vol in my Tesla dataset: > 41% .
2nd place A/hrs was Apr 29, 2020 at 28.5% (the keen amongst you will recall that was the day Elon was reopening Tesla's Fremont factory w/o 'say so' from Alemeda County.
Gotta admit, 2020 has got moves...
Cheers!
This is the highest % of A/hrs Vol to Main session Vol in my Tesla dataset: > 41% .
2nd place A/hrs was Apr 29, 2020 at 28.5% (the keen amongst you will recall that was the day Elon was reopening Tesla's Fremont factory w/o 'say so' from Alemeda County.
Gotta admit, 2020 has got moves...
Cheers!
MartinAustin
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https://twitter.com/CNBCFastMoney/status/1328465599366901766?s=20
Fast Money segment.
Melissa Lee to Tim Seymour: "[if Tesla is so bad] do you question S&P's judgement?"
Tim Seymour: "No."
=> it is OK to sell BEV credits. Business is business.
Fast Money segment.
Melissa Lee to Tim Seymour: "[if Tesla is so bad] do you question S&P's judgement?"
Tim Seymour: "No."
=> it is OK to sell BEV credits. Business is business.
ByeByeJohnny
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The most interesting take from Rob Maurer is that Teslas announcement is 35 days before inclusion. The average is six days and previous max is ten days, over the last four years at least. This inclusion is different in so many ways.
As a total novice when it comes to how funds operate I know I'm gonna spend some time tomorrow trying to find my earliest suggestion that S&P might want to do this in installments. Long before anyone else here at least. I'm right so seldom I'll have to celebrate that.
As a total novice when it comes to how funds operate I know I'm gonna spend some time tomorrow trying to find my earliest suggestion that S&P might want to do this in installments. Long before anyone else here at least. I'm right so seldom I'll have to celebrate that.
No, there is just currently an estimate from: https://www.spglobal.com/spdji/en/g...iononimplementationoftslaaddition11-16-20.pdf
Of course it has already gone up ~13%, so that would be ~$58B now.
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