Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

[Krugerrand]

Even though it likely helps me as an investor for the S&P500 to include Tesla, I don't really care from a financial POV. I care because:

1) The stock will be more stable, may get better credit, is harder to attack
2) It creates buzz and positive news about EVs, which should drive EV adoption further
3) It means some truly horrible, selfish, stupid, environmentally-destructive people lose an absolute ton of money.

So today is a good day.

Yeah. Nope. I’m totally here for the money.

 

[LTC_RRR]

Probably because you are comparing grapes to watermelons - even though they can grow in the same field, they have different prices, different sizes and different flavors. Grape does not equal watermelon.

But, grapes make for better wine

 

[Krugerrand]

On August 12 Tesla announced a stock split - an event that would actually happen a month from then, and was only expected to have a minor effect on the SP since it didn't fundamentally change the company. Sound familiar? TSLA shocked everyone by going straight up from that day until the stock split. Momentum traders kept piling on every day, and shorts kept getting squeezed.

Edit: There is one difference here. A minor detail - funds must buy $50B of TSLA while this is all happening.

Funnier words were never said: This event (stock split) makes no appreciable difference to the SP.

I will go to my grave laughing about that one.

 

[ggr]

I am thinking more of swapping shares with deep ITM calls a year out. Will be happy to swap 200 shares with 3 calls. = 50% leverage, hardly any time cost.

Deleverage on the way up, leverage on the way down, is what I was taught. Seems to be working well enough.

 

[corduroy]

I'm thinking right now my plan will be to wait for IV to spike up a ton, then sell LONG term CCs against those shares way OTM at like $1000.

Wait till post inclusion when the SP and IV comes back to earth, and rebuy for a fraction of what I sold em for.

I was thinking this same strategy.

 

[Prunesquallor]

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Anyone else surprised that Elon didn’t tweet out a hint in the last 48 hours about S&P? (From what I understand he wouldn’t have been given a heads up until 48 hours before announcement)

Didnt he tweet about his cold SymPtoms?

 

[JayNT]

Anyone else surprised that Elon didn’t tweet out a hint in the last 48 hours about S&P? (From what I understand he wouldn’t have been given a heads up until 48 hours before announcement)

In the last 48 hours it's possible he had something else captivating his attention.

 

[Bunky]

In the last 48 hours it's possible he had something else captivating his attention.

You mean SPacex?

 

[kanweg]

Well, I did learn a costly lesson with respect to buy and hold (I’m the fool here for selling my shares on 18 March), but currently I’m uncomfortably leveraged, and I don’t want to risk being margin called in case of some unforeseen event.

The other saying is that the market can be irrational longer than I can stay solvent after all and I don’t want to be bitten by another gem of wisdom. So, I will deleverage in the weeks to come. I know I’m giving up future profits, but I’ve no desire to find out what the maximum number of gastric ulcers one can develop worrying over a stock price.

 

[LTC_RRR]

Great music helps!

That wasn't music - more like a broken record

 

[H Mak]

A word of caution

Despite I am as excited as everybody here about the overdue inclusion and the pre-market action I recommend resisting the feeling of greed. If you believe in the long-term success of Tesla regardless if we see a squeeze or not you win in any case if you hold your stocks and avoid the temptation to time the market.

Markets are irrational and over the years I learned tsla is extra irrational.

Over time until Dec 21st maybe after too we will see great buying power but to believe you can sell high and buy low is not a good strategy.

Lean back, grab the popcorn and enjoy the show

My shares are not for sale

 

[Webeevdrivers]

That wasn't music - more like a broken record

Well, sorry that’s how it makes you feel. It makes me feel differently.

Just sayin.

 

[Causalien]

My current wish. Is that after the inclusion, this will be the last time I have to wake up before 6AM to trade this. Hopefully S&P will hammer some stability into this rebel of a stonk.

 

[Stinger63]

Yet I'm not the only one linking the 2...

Hello, new to this site and thread but I do post on another site that is more about trading than about Tesla. I'm a recent Tesla investor/day trader and, like all of you, look forward to the coming days.
A recent event however did succeed in getting me pee'd off with Musk... The timing of the recent snub from the S&P committee and Tesla's sudden 5B stock sale were too coincidental for me to believe they were not tied. My assessment then was that Musk had made a deal with the Committee whereas he would use the money to cool off the market for a week, to allow fund managers to buy the required shares at sub 400. Low and behold, last week Tesla shares stayed below 400 and are surging this week.
Coincidence? I doubt it. It would have been no worse if Musk had simply handed the fund managers a commission as compensation for overheating the market and buying at well over 400.
Nevertheless, what is done is done. The consequence, if this turns out to be true, is that I expect the S&P Committee to announce Tesla's inclusion sometime in October.

Well, disagreed with by 42 members and found funny by 6....
This may not be the reason for that, but I was on the money.

 

[TheTalkingMule]

Well, disagreed with by 42 members and found funny by 6....
This may not be the reason for that, but I was on the money.

People likely stopped reading and disagreed at "I'm a recent Tesla investor/day trader ".

 

[UCF3]

Well, disagreed with by 42 members and found funny by 6....
This may not be the reason for that, but I was on the money.

You were right about what? Index fund managers still can’t buy TSLA until the week before inclusion. That’s why you got so many disagrees

 

[Krugerrand]

Well, disagreed with by 42 members and found funny by 6....
This may not be the reason for that, but I was on the money.

So, 42 weren’t enough for you, huh. Well, okay then.

 

[dww12]

Found this on twitter, @mightytesla.

 

[TheTalkingMule]

Cramer on CNBC complaining that young traders have a heard mentality and invest in the obvious. Is there a more on-point description of Cramer himself?

Anywho..... apparently that was your premarket TSLA coverage. Explain the math behind what's happening? Nah. Explain the timing of all this so investors can trade from a more informed place? Nah.

 

[feigen66]

Mongols were once treated like barbarians, wasn't legitimately recognized (e.g., TSLAQ and MSM).

2020 will be the year of reckoning, a turning point in the history book.

May we Musketeers endure through doubt, ridicules, personal attack, only HOLD on the divine mission of saving humanity to thrive in the year of Resilience, and we shall conquer the territory of old guards and bring the technological disruption to the whole mankind.