Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

[2virgule5]

Perhaps you could provide a plausible explanation for Tesla to "hammer the bid".

It is not in Tesla's best interest to drive down the prices. Your theory lacks motive.

The alternative is that Hedge funds "hammer the bid", knowing that Tesla was selling. Moving the SP lower actually IS in the (short, narrow) interests of hedgies....

EDIT: Here's another data point: we know now that Tesla was finished selling on Wed, Dec 9th: The SP went down -$35 between the Close on Wed and the Open on Thursday, so we know that drop was NOT caused by Tesla "hammering the bid". So who was it? Any difference in pattern of selling vs Wednesday?

Cheers!

Could it be the banks that did the secondary? Essentially they knew that the secondary was completed 24h ahead of everyone, engineered a dip to shake the weak hands and scoop some stop loss orders, then bought in trove knowing that the release of this info would boost the stock? Nah, that would be unethical, and they have this ‘great wall’ stuff, never mind...

 

[mickle]

Shanghai factory expanding onto new land!



From Wu Wa:

The winter in Shanghai is cold and humid, and the sky is shrouded in mist. The Lingang Tesla factory, which is a kilometer away from downtown Shanghai, is indeed very lively. In addition to the new Model 3s constantly shuttled in the factory, we also Seeing that the fence outside the paint shop on the east side of the second phase of the factory was opened, two excavators were stepping towards the watermelon field in the east, although we did not get any information about the watermelon field in the east. However, according to the signs today (Dec 10), Tesla is likely to rent the watermelon land in the southeast. I was consulting a melon farmer who stayed in this land and learned that the construction staff on the site told him , This land will no longer grow crops, they need to find a piece of farmland to grow watermelon in Lingang. In the near future, a new factory building will be built here. With the expansion of the factory, Tesla has also carried out a large number of recruitment in various cities in China. Next year, Tesla China will be a new era.

SHOW LESS

 

[bigsmooth125]

Poor people skills.

Agree on this 1000%.

 

[Tyler34]

Bought them back, or probably rolled them to next week. The bet was on TSLA not going below 589 by expiration in order to profit.

I may open a position tomorrow, write something like 700's for the 18th. Have to see what the premiums look like. Puts aren't really that useful for this sort of situation, I think, as they cap your winnings. But there may be enough premium in this craziness to justify some kind of bet. Probably something small though.

The way puts benefit in this type of situation is to finance buying calls. That's pretty much how I've built my whole Tesla position.

 

[ReddyLeaf]

So yesterday was a psychology experiment. Ask yourself: did you get duped by the big boys and end up losing any of your net position in TSLA yesterday or today? I wouldn't blame you if you did. It's hard, isn't it? This is why the house usually wins.

I’m not sure and won’t know until the inclusion event is over and done. On Monday I sold some of the calls that I had bought weeks ago, and then plowed the profits back into shares, most during an early dip yesterday (way too early, so not the bottom) and a smaller amount exactly at today’s opening low. If the SP goes to 800+, then those calls were sold too early, and yes I got duped. I still got an extra 245 shares out of the deal, so I won’t be heartbroken to see 800+. We will see.

 

[mulder1231]

What’s going to happen with parking lots when most people ride an FSD enabled Tesla?

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Some will be converted to SuperCharging stations with automatic snake chargers.

 

[S3XY]

I wouldn't read too much into that - I've got more than 8000 "informative" ratings and I'm just posting wise-crack most of the time...

I'm very happy with my nearly 400 Informative votes even if 90% of them are just Lodger's sarcasm. At least it bumps my favorable rating.

 

[Green Pete]

I wouldn't read too much into that - I've got more than 8000 "informative" ratings and I'm just posting wise-crack most of the time...

Your "informative" count is the same multiple of mine as $TSLA stock price is since Jan 1 =)

 

[FS_FRA]

TL.0 in Frankfurt at €512 / $620

 

[NicoV]

We dropped 8% yesterday when 8 million shares were dumped in the market. Now let’s get a 120% rise when 120 million shares get taken out.

One can dream

What makes you think the effect is linear?

 

[Green Pete]

What makes you think the effect is linear?

I think the "One can dream" sign off implies he doesn't think it is linear. But it would be nice wouldn't it =)

 

[JBRR]

EU Carbon Rises to Record as Leaders Approve 55% Emissions Cut

By William Mathis
(Bloomberg) -- Carbon futures rose by as much as 1.3% to EU31.30/metric ton on ICE Futures after leaders approved more ambitious cuts to greenhouse gases at a summit in Brussels.

The EU’s new target will cut emissions by at least 55% by 2030, up from 40% previously

 

[Bet TSLA]

The way puts benefit in this type of situation is to finance buying calls. That's pretty much how I've built my whole Tesla position.

Can you explain exactly what you mean. When I sell puts they are naked, cash (and sometimes margin) backed. When I buy calls they are usually naked. Both use buying power. You are talking some kind of more complex combination?

 

[jamaatta]

EU Carbon Rises to Record as Leaders Approve 55% Emissions Cut

By William Mathis
(Bloomberg) -- Carbon futures rose by as much as 1.3% to EU31.30/metric ton on ICE Futures after leaders approved more ambitious cuts to greenhouse gases at a summit in Brussels.

The EU’s new target will cut emissions by at least 55% by 2030, up from 40% previously

This is so great!

 

[mrdoubleb]

Shanghai factory expanding onto new land!



From Wu Wa:

....Tesla is likely to rent the watermelon land in the southeast...

Model "WM" incoming...

 

[LN1_Casey]

Bit of a drop from Frankfurt. €508.90, which is about $616.

 

[Lycanthrope]

Why do you always post with such an arrogant and superior tone?

Funny, I don’t see the poster you’re responding to, but I can deduce which one it is. “No manipulation” theme, I guess?

I see a lot of these ghost posts.

There are ways to stop wasting your time, if you exercise the feature.

 

[Lycanthrope]

Exactly
The share price never moves in a linear relation to the other metrics
The demand supply paradigm takes over here
The front running has led to explosive appreciation of the share price
I believe a significant horde of shares have already been accumulated by the front running entities
The opposite holds true when time comes next week and they start unloading
I won’t be surprised to see only a moderate rise in share price instead of a squeeze as the demand will likely be met by a steady supply of the accumulated shares .
Just want everyone to be cognizant of this possibility and not get hopes too high.
The share price will rise , that’s for sure.
But it is something we cannot predict with accuracy.

Why would front-runners want to sell in a way that limits price-rises? They’re vultures, like the rest and will do everything to maximise their own gains.

 

[MXWing]

Why would front-runners want to sell in a way that limits price-rises? They’re vultures, like the rest and will do everything to maximise their own gains.

Risk management. 10% gains on volume would still be very substantial.

 

[chrsk]

606$, tech futures down 1%.