Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

[amolina]

Do people really believe this morning was regular MMD action? It feels more like a large investor dumped/trimmed their holding.

Why do you say that?

 

[SOULPEDL]

Benzinga - half hour ago: Should Apple Partner With Tesla, Ford Or GM On A Self-Driving EV? | Benzinga

Excerpt:

About 37% of traders and investors believe a Tesla-Apple EV partnership makes the most sense.

Many respondents noted Elon Musk's company is the most established EV automaker and would be the easiest for Apple to partner with, given its EV line up features the longest distance electric cars between charges, the company’s laid out plans for installing EV chargers throughout the U.S. and at-present has the largest EV market share.

What if the display monitor on the Plaid not only rotates, but it disconnects as well. It's a wireless OS, complete with browser, gaming, and you just know productivity tools will ensue with the Tesla Remote Office is Just an Apple Nightmare (TROJAN).
Soon... "Apple begs to join Tesla."

 

[StealthP3D]

I've noticed that investors who are publicly very aggressive and assertive about their long position in Tesla can easily re-polarize and become very aggressive and assertive about divesting in Tesla. I find it weird and I want to encourage intellectual humility, self-doubt, and being open-minded and friendly toward people who have different investment opinions.

Those people are generally delusional in that they think their tweets can impact the share price.

 

[Lycanthrope]

I have 1100c expiring in 2 days, and its value keeps going up even though TSLA is going down. What the hell? Lol

You weren't kidding - weird!

Still, if you're worried about it being exercised, won't cost too much to close the position

 

[StealthP3D]

Do people really believe this morning was regular MMD action? It feels more like a large investor dumped/trimmed their holding.

Markets ebb and flow but people have a tendency to want to explain movements using some mythical "large investor". While that can happen once in a while, most movements like you see today are just a reflection of the mood of the markets. More sellers than buyers.

I'm not even sure why it would matter if it were one large investor selling. I wouldn't presume they know something the rest of us don't.

 

[buttershrimp]

how bout announcement of FSD coast to coast for a price boost?

 

[Criscmt]

Do people really believe this morning was regular MMD action? It feels more like a large investor dumped/trimmed their holding.

Looks like it, price not going up even with volume going up.

 

[Paul_SF]

Benzinga - half hour ago: Should Apple Partner With Tesla, Ford Or GM On A Self-Driving EV? | Benzinga

Excerpt:

About 37% of traders and investors believe a Tesla-Apple EV partnership makes the most sense.

Many respondents noted Elon Musk's company is the most established EV automaker and would be the easiest for Apple to partner with, given its EV line up features the longest distance electric cars between charges, the company’s laid out plans for installing EV chargers throughout the U.S. and at-present has the largest EV market share.

Apple only needs to buy 10% of Tesla and continue to do what they do already. They don’t need an Apple car, Tim said years ago that Apple will be remembered as a healthcare company. They are working on that.

I know, I know, no more talk of Apple, too much OT....

 

[UkNorthampton]

So Redneck Speak:
Ya screwed with us, and it hurt. We need you to clearly understand who is incharge here. Tell your bean-counters to behave, or be willing to pay quite a bit more for the chips.... I didn't think so.

Managers like plans, budgets & hitting targets exactly. Series of smallish customers (ICE subsystem suppliers & Legacy ICE) who are used to being in charge/big fish cancel orders.

Chaos to chip suppliers short term, back of the queue / price premium.

Domino effect of Chip maker > Chip supplier/wholesaler > Subsystem supplier (many, various scales, various levels of cancellation, risk of not paying bills) >>> Legacy ICE

Only as strong as their weakest chip sourcing:-

For want of a nail the shoe was lost.
For want of a shoe the horse was lost.
For want of a horse the rider was lost.
For want of a rider the message was lost.
For want of a message the battle was lost.
For want of a battle the kingdom was lost.
And all for the want of a horseshoe nail. (chip)

 

[cliffski]

Is there any actual definitive word as to what extent this chip shortage has affected tesla, if at all? They dont make all their own chips, and are producing flat out, so surely its having an impact?

 

[saniflash]

IV increased substantially today

 

[st_lopes]

Benzinga: 'The fact is every single Tesla we've tested has failed to hit its EPA range estimate' -Earlier Tweet From Edmunds Highlighting Late-Tuesday Report 'Edmunds Tested: Electric Car Range and Consumption'

https://twitter.com/edmunds/status/1359560204724043776

Edmunds Tested: Electric Car Range and Consumption | Edmunds

Personally find it a little silly to compare "real-world" ranges with a 13 degree temperature difference, but whatever gets you clicks I suppose.

 

[traxila]

IV increased substantially today

Except in the calls I bought it seems.....

Bought them when SP at 810 and then they were losers for me when it was at 815. Go figure....

 

[Mo City]

Is there any actual definitive word as to what extent this chip shortage has affected tesla, if at all? They dont make all their own chips, and are producing flat out, so surely its having an impact?

Unlike GM and Ford, Elon and Zach may never give definitive guidance on the issue. Anyone else's statement is pure conjecture.

I expect an impact because Zach specifically mentioned it Jan 27.

 

[StarFoxisDown!]

Welp looks like they'll successfully break 806 for the close, probably 800. I'd say this sell off is going to continue. Ugly day and ugly week. So much for Max Pain actually working to our benefit

 

[Joe F]

OI on 800 strike is heavy. Looking at 785 to 789. Fingers still bleeding from earlier today.

 

[lklundin]

Oh yes. Volume is anemic.

Actually, yesterday's volume was about 1/3 of the average, today's looks like it will be closer to 85%.

PS. Well, in fact it reached 81%.

 

[henchman24]

Benzinga: 'The fact is every single Tesla we've tested has failed to hit its EPA range estimate' -Earlier Tweet From Edmunds Highlighting Late-Tuesday Report 'Edmunds Tested: Electric Car Range and Consumption'

https://twitter.com/edmunds/status/1359560204724043776

Edmunds Tested: Electric Car Range and Consumption | Edmunds

Personally find it a little silly to compare "real-world" ranges with a 13 degree temperature difference, but whatever gets you clicks I suppose.

Beyond the 13 degree part though,the EPA should really force all automakers to the same test... and they should be forced to the Multi-Cycle test.

 

[DrJohnM]

Over 271,000 March $20 put orders have been executed today. Is someone using these to depress the share price? Something to do with NOPE Net Options Pricing Effect?

 

[lklundin]

@ericmandela with a tweet that made a lot of sense to me. Not sure if heard this angle shared here. Obviously we won’t hear this from the paidstream media...

While some worry that @tesla converted $1.5B of cash to Bitcoin, I don’t hear them worrying that GM spent $2.95B on advertising in the US alone in 2019. Being a novel move, the conversion served to provide additional free press for Tesla. $TSLA

On the topic of reporting on GM I also hear no "concerned reports" from MSM of how GM are in a process of partnering up with the Tesla-wannabe zombie called Nikola - for which we have news nuggets like this one:
https://twitter.com/meckimac/status/1359504629973794819