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Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

dl003

Active Member
Nov 22, 2019
1,347
11,491
Texas
My guess is the market is still skeptic about the stability of treasury yields going into the weekend. US10Y has dropped from height of 1.6% to under 1.4% as of close. If things stay calm next week we should recover. European and Asian central banks have stepped in to help with this liquidity crisis.
 

elasalle

driVIN(188xx) it !!
Jan 26, 2016
3,900
20,634
VA
Inflation is still in line with Fed's projections. I researched more into it and there are some long winded theories but we aren't allowed to talk macros here unless it directly relates to the stock. :(

Just start sentence with Tesla might be impacted by macros and do the rest. I have see this technique used even by mods when saying a joke ;)

e.g I am drinking beer today, because Tesla SP is Red. The color of my beer bottle is also red :) OT time . cheers!!
 

Singuy

Active Member
Jun 28, 2018
3,292
22,298
US
So is this bond traders having a temper tantrum or are we really heading for hyperinflation? I still don't know.
Pre Covid we were hyper inflation, I remember using dollar bills as toilet paper.

Then during Covid it was hyper deflation, I had to exchange my dollar bills for real toilet paper but they were so cheap everything was out of stock, so I ended up using dollar bills anyways.

Now we are going to post Covid era, meaning hyper inflation so .. I'm using dollar bills to wipe either way.
 
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dl003

Active Member
Nov 22, 2019
1,347
11,491
Texas
So is this bond traders having a temper tantrum or are we really heading for hyperinflation? I still don't know.
Sources suggest is a combination of many things:
The Fed allowed banks to hold more treasuries on their balance sheet starting 4/1/2020. This is set to expire 3/31/2021. Unfortunately, the Fed has not communicated what it has in mind after 3/31/2021.
Mortgage lenders are selling longer dated treasuries as they take on more longer duration mortgage loans.
There's another liquidity crisis in the bond market where T-bills are favored over longer dated T-notes and bonds.
Algos shorting bonds like there's no tomorrow.
Traders are hoping to get bond cheap when the Treasury begins dumping a big load on the market to finance the next stim package.
Commodity prices have been going up steadily, signaling inflation on the horizon. Today commodity prices take a big hit which coincided with US10Y crashing below 1.4%.
 
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UnknownSoldier

Unknown Member
Apr 17, 2017
1,816
9,454
WA
Hyperinflation. For sure.

I got my wheelbarrow ready. Bought matching sets for my family with the family crest on them.

Don’t have a wheelbarrow? You so screwed...
You don't need wheelbarrows anymore, you can just use your credit card or Apple Pay or whatever to pay your $1 million for a hamburger.
 
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2daMoon

Member
Nov 25, 2020
464
3,032
Terra
Pre Covid we were hyper inflation, I remember using dollar bills as toilet paper.

Then during Covid it was hyper deflation, I had to exchange my dollar bills for real toilet paper but they were so cheap everything was out of stock, so I ended up using dollar bills anyways.

Now we are going to post Covid era, meaning hyper inflation so .. I'm using dollar bills to wipe either way.
Let me get this right, you're saying that you got wiped out in these wild market swings?
 

Curt Renz

Well-Known Member
Mar 5, 2013
6,276
78,926
USA
NPR - hour ago: Energy Secretary Granholm: Texas Outages Show Need For Changes To U.S. Power Systems

Excerpt:

Critics have also attacked the transition from fossil fuels to renewable energy as prohibitively expensive. But a recent analysis by the World Resources Institute found that investing in clean energy generates more jobs than investing in fossil fuels due to the more labor-intensive nature of today's clean energy systems.

In her interview with NPR, Granholm called the transition to clean energy "a huge market opportunity for fossil companies to diversify," and argued that even if jobs are lost in the fossil fuel industry, "there could be millions that will be created in clean energy."
 

Jkaufm32

Member
Feb 12, 2019
93
149
New York
I've never purchased a call before (sold some covered calls against my current TSLA holdings since 2018) but the January 2022 call at $800 has been looking better and better lately. I know the premium is something like $14k (which is way down since a few weeks ago based on the SP movement the last week), but looking Tesla's plan for 2021 I couldn't see things going up from where we are today. Although I believe in Tesla buying something with such a high premium scares me.

There are many people on this forum that understand things much better than me but I feel like this logic makes sense. Any advice on TSLA calls or anything related would be great!
 

GOVA

Mr Gumble
Jul 12, 2013
309
1,791
yes
Sources suggest is a combination of many things:
The Fed allowed banks to hold more treasuries on their balance sheet starting 4/1/2020. This is set to expire 3/31/2021. Unfortunately, the Fed has not communicated what it has in mind after 3/31/2021.
Mortgage lenders are selling longer dated treasuries as they take on more longer duration mortgage loans.
There's another liquidity crisis in the bond market where T-bills are favored over longer dated T-notes and bonds.
Algos shorting bonds like there's no tomorrow.
Traders are hoping to get bond cheap when the Treasury begins dumping a big load on the market to finance the next stim package.
Commodity prices have been going up steadily, signaling inflation on the horizon. Today commodity prices take a big hit which coincided with US10Y crashing below 1.4%.

Nice. If I only spoke China (sic)
 

traxila

Supporting Member
Nov 25, 2012
1,628
8,685
NYC
You don't need wheelbarrows anymore, you can just use your credit card or Apple Pay or whatever to pay your $1 million for a hamburger.

Pffft.

Guess you don’t know about the upcoming Solar Flare. Heh.

No wheel barrow, counting on digital cash....

Now you really screwed for sure.
 
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asburgers

Member
Sep 23, 2020
298
2,186
Chair, Canada
Pre Covid we were hyper inflation, I remember using dollar bills as toilet paper.

Then during Covid it was hyper deflation, I had to exchange my dollar bills for real toilet paper but they were so cheap everything was out of stock, so I ended up using dollar bills anyways.

Now we are going to post Covid era, meaning hyper inflation so .. I'm using dollar bills to wipe either way.

We can't even do that in Canada because our bills are pretty much plastic. Your bills are like Charmin in comparison.
 

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