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Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

Discussion in 'TSLA Investor Discussions' started by AudubonB, Dec 28, 2018.

  1. traxila

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    I think the ten year yield double topped today for the short term, and I know you all do not want to hear this, but are you prepared for the possibility of a run at two percent next week?

    You know those bond traders are always crapping in the people’s couscous.

    OTOH, this is a momo market and if we have really bottomed, then look to Singuy for short term run predictions. He looking pretty good lately. You would think 650 is in the bag if macros are good next week. Too far from the 50 day to talk about making a run for it yet.
     
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  2. sroh

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    Love it. I sold some shares also but bought Mar 2023 400c. May do more, but increase my leverage by going with 600c or 650c like you.
     
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  3. corduroy

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    Come on $600

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  4. SOULPEDL

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    Ya it was the bus exit one. Random trials seemed to be the best answer earlier.

    I agree, learning that fast would not be practical. But I guess there could have been a freak moment where someone was supervising at that moment and pushed him a few new bits. Minor updates do occur without our knowledge, but I highly doubt that happens while we're driving.

    It's all a glimpse at Evolution, and I don't see much difference. So if an X and Y did it, would they create a Z?
     
  5. lklundin

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    Indeed. It has been pointed out repeatedly how stop-loss orders are easily spotted (and thus exploited).

    Can Market Makers also estimate when e.g. retailers are using more leverage than usually - i.e. when it will pay off to trigger these massive dips? Not to pick on Robinhood, but are there ways where the MMs can "work" with retail brokers to gain this kind of insight?
     
  6. Mengy

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    Nah, the companies fundamentals and future prospects are immensely stronger than ever today. TSLA isn't just down, 90% of the market is down in a huge way, so the low SP isn't fazing me at all either. Later this year we'll look back at this and wish we had bought even more shares than we did!

    Long term Tesla is looking far better than it ever has, and this market correction will pass like all market corrections do eventually. Just gotta ride the coaster like usual!!!
     
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  7. dl003

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    This market has taught me that if life gives you a lemon, you better leverage it into 15 lemons while shorting the ice cream truck across the street. You then go on CNBC and tell the world that diabetes has become a deadly pandemic in the US and the government should shut all ice cream vendors down. Am I doing this right?
     
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  8. StealthP3D

    StealthP3D Well-Known Member

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    Well, the sun is always shining somewhere! :)
     
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  9. Tes La Ferrari

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    Tesla (TSLA) erased $100 billion in value, but it could be worth $1 trillion this year, says top analyst - Electrek


    TL; DR: This is Electrek's article on Dan Ives forecasting a $1T valuation for TSLA this year

    “If China stays on its current path for Tesla, Musk & Co. could hit one million delivery units globally by 2022. This speaks to our thesis that Tesla will hit a trillion-dollar market cap in 2021 despite this risk-off moment for EV stocks with the bears coming back to life after a long hibernation in their caves over the past year.”
     
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  10. joh01652

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    Huh, check this out: Tesla halts forums, launches new in-house social engagement platform

    "Tesla has officially launched its own form of social media with the “Engage Tesla” platform. The new site, launched earlier today, gives owners and fans the ability to interact with each other while talking about the latest developments and rumors within the community while also updating members with campaigns related to current events. A few of them, for example, allow owners to support those affected by the recent storm disasters in Texas and also updates members of community events taking place near them. With the new platform, Tesla is dropping its Forums.Tesla.com site, making the message board “read-only” beginning March 15th."

    Welcome to the Tesla Engagement Platform
     
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  11. Knightshade

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    IIRC Green debunked that notion at the time-

    I think maps (and maybe other infotainment stuff- I've seen references to games updating) can be updated out of band like that, but not anything the driving computer is running.

    (which is a GOOD thing from a security perspective)
     
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  12. 2daMoon

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    Isn't it amazing that nobody else had done this yet? :rolleyes:
     
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  13. Oveeus

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    Many here and on my Twitter TSLA feed have said it, but I thought I'd put it into my own words.

    Investment is often a commitment for a certain period of time until the planned result comes to fruition.

    If anyone is panicking the last few days, I'd share what I felt around this time last year during the Covid crash.

    I originally bought in sub 200 (pre-split) and then it ran all the way up to about 900. Of course I was pumped, but I didn't sell because I just felt my Tesla Model 3 was a superior product and the company is doing everything in the right direction.

    Then the crash started. I remember the day it reached the bottom at around 300 or so. And what exactly went through my mind? "Oh well... I am still green although the portfolio took a beating, my Model 3 is still awesome and Elon and the team is still doing everything they need to do in the right direction." I closed the stock tab and went on my day to day life. What happened next, as they said... is history.

    If you are feeling uneasy, think again about your original investment perspectives. Why did you buy into TSLA or any stock.

    Did that change? If that expectation changed, by all mean, change your investment accordingly. However, if it has not... then the question becomes... who cares?

    The SP is just a number that a person is willing to pay right NOW for the share. If one isn't planning to sell. The SP is irrelevant. I have my stock app set to the market cap figure instead of $ or % because of this. I try to focus only on news... as I do scrolling through here and Twitter feeds, I focus on news and news only.

    There is no need for any cheerleading comments or anything to make anyone feel good. The best analytic is to do just that... analytic. Check what the company is doing and make your investment decisions based on that. Assuming the analytic didn't change, then any shock to SP is just noise in my opinion.
     
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  14. asburgers

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    Could come in handy. Pretty awesome! Now for the NIO-like clubhouses. :)

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  15. Alphacrux

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    Will we get it?
     
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  16. woodisgood

    woodisgood It's walnut, beech

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    Absolutely these mechanisms must exist, because what we already know of must only be the tip of the iceberg.

    You can also infer some of the leverage-like situations. For example, 2020 was a wildly profitable year in the market following the Covid dip. That's a lot of income taxes people are going to have to pay; there were a lot of short-term gains. How many of those people set aside their tax money immediately after selling?
     
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  17. capster

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    #247797 capster, Mar 5, 2021 at 10:24 AM
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    For what?

    tl;dr: My best guess is that the Street has a genuine and legitimate fear of being disintermediated — at least the financial advising and active investment management part. They are putting a bit of stick about to scare retail investors back into line.

    At a high level:

    Most intelligent investors would have realized years ago that ‘fiduciary responsibility’ is something financial advising firms aim to skirt.

    Then, a lot of retail investors got the jump on the street in the 2020 run up. The pandemic gave retail investors the time to look into investing and to build confidence.

    It may have also alerted many retail investors to that fact that the financial press is full of it. The press basically says whatever the Street wants them to say. What the Street wants them to say is often not in retail investors’ interest.

    For example, look at the coverage in the immediate aftermath of the GME squeeze: According to the press, the problem was “those meddling kids” (shout out to Scooby Doo! :) ). Precious little mention, if any, of the naked shorting by MM’s, lack of transparency around short action, scandalously negligent SEC oversight of shorts, and the papers’ own complicity.

    As regards proximate cause:

    The GME squeeze was an act of aggression by retail against the Street. Retail caught the Street in a box canyon, both knew it and retail gunned down a lot of pros. The houses of cards erected by the pros were shown to be fragile to the point of being a threat to larger market.

    So:

    No wonder Wall Street has gone gunning for Main Street.


    Of course there are other subtleties:

    For example, the Street may be trying to bully the Fed into extending the supplementary leverage ratio by March 31: Analysis: Fixed-income markets wary of Fed decision on bank capital relief

    “Fears about a rule called the supplementary leverage ratio, or SLR, come as fixed income markets have become more volatile. Inflation fears helped to send yields on longer-dated Treasuries last week to one-year highs, while flooded money markets briefly sent a key overnight borrowing rate below zero.

    On March 31, a regulatory break that big banks have enjoyed regarding SLR is scheduled to expire. Unless the Federal Reserve extends the break, banks will have to hold more capital against Treasury bonds, as well as deposits they keep at the Fed.”

    This Powell declined to mention doing yesterday.
     
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  18. Singuy

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    Well this sucks. QQQ broke out as predicted, tsla however is lagging behind. Without some good catalyst somewhere even if QQQ breaks ATH, Tsla has about 200 bucks erased from its ATH.

    However I am looking at my other positions and it seems that the higher the P/E, the worst the recovery. So it's not Tsla specific. My lower PE tech stocks went green.
     
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  19. phantasms

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    longer the base. . . - - - . . .
     
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  20. woodisgood

    woodisgood It's walnut, beech

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    Not just TSLA, all of green energy.
     
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