Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

[jbcarioca]

Yet another not-an-upgrade-really. Isn’t that cute.

To the market that is a material change, because it shifts from 'highly speculative'. Demean it if you will but these category changes are important to several categories of institutional investors which often have either regulatory or policy constraints on their holdings. To the broader world it is largely irrelevant, as you stay. To the entities that actually buy these securities this is a material upgrade.

To clarify, I am not suggesting is agree, but I do understand how the rules work for insurance companies, pension funds and sovereign funds. Though these do vary, the vast majority have fairly rigid limits on their investment categories.

To an earlier issue: Ford is the only US auto manufacturer that has avoided bankruptcy other than Tesla. A long history never failing to pay is worth serious extra tolerance by most debt analysis. Nonetheless the rating agencies do NOT have stellar reputations even though the investor usually must pay attention, like it or not.

 

[asburgers]

Good old Vincent!

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1375492770345799680

 

[elasalle]

Good old Vincent!

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1375492770345799680

Maybe NIO also sold some of their chips to Tesla

 

[Christine600]

The Mormon Church's secretive $100 billion fund slashed 'big tech' stocks, quadrupled its Tesla stake, and bought GameStop shares last quarter

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is betting on Tesla and GameStop. George Frey/Getty Images The Mormon Church's $100 billion...

markets.businessinsider.com

TLDR:

Mormon church's $100M investment fund quadrupled their TSLA position.

"The investing arm of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints also quadrupled the size of its Tesla bet to 467,000 shares. Coupled with a sharp increase in the automaker's stock price, the position surged in value by about 550% to $330 million as of December 31."

I'm currently shopping around for a new deep couch. Anyone know where the Mormon church bought theirs?

 

[jbcarioca]

I should have figured a Moodys upgrade would send the stock -3%.

bought 1 share.
3 shares away from my Tesla share goal

In general a debt upgrade does not move equities much, unless the upgrade makes the debt into investment grade. Given the TSLA quick ratio and general liquidity, I do not expect upgrades to mean much until then.
Frankly, there are not many precedent for a cash generating high growth company. Investment analysts do NOT reward innovation, so they tend to ignore positive moves they do not understand. Remember, these are not nearly as refined as the world wants to believe them to be.

 

[woodisgood]

The funny thing is our drop is based solely on Nio’s reduced guidance plus whatever Troy said (I’m assuming it’s reduced P/D but I don’t know because I’m not subscribed).

I wonder what our drop would have been if that information actually came from Tesla.

Troy has achieved market-moving superpowers!

 

[elasalle]

The funny thing is our drop is based solely on Nio’s reduced guidance plus whatever Troy said (I’m assuming it’s reduced P/D but I don’t know because I’m not subscribed).

I wonder what our drop would have been if that information actually came from Tesla.

Troy has achieved market-moving superpowers!

From March 16th twitter feed

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1371925362347802625

 

[asburgers]

The funny thing is our drop is based solely on Nio’s reduced guidance plus whatever Troy said (I’m assuming it’s reduced P/D but I don’t know because I’m not subscribed).

I wonder what our drop would have been if that information actually came from Tesla.

Troy has achieved market-moving superpowers!

It's the damn ship.

 

[elasalle]

It's the damn ship.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10Uh_GSkShwPPlrE5mOJcrkZ-T3NmLkLnTo6xqbdtaOI/htmlview

All ships reached destination for Q1

 

[stealthyc]

From March 16th twitter feed

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1371925362347802625

It's less now

 

[Mo City]

Guys and gals, I strongly believe in LEAPS and HODL. However, the temptation to buy a chunk of Jan 2022 $900 calls is getting strong. If at some point TSLA drops to $550 or less, I'm doing it.

Agree or disagree?

 

[DaveG_NJ]

Not wishing any anxiety on anyone here, but the SP can stay in the crapper for another couple of weeks if it wishes.

I finally managed to get a shipment of dry powder loaded onto a very slow train. Incredible how pension companies are so affected by Covid when they could have been working from home anyway for the last decade.

Back in January, when Tesla was on its way to the moon, I rolled over an old plan into my IRA, but I was smart enough not to buy TSLA at the high, but waited for that first good pullback and loaded up the truck. I was not smart enough, however, to know that there would be a third pullback...
And a fourth...
And a fifth....
And a sixth...
And now I've lost count.

 

[deshkart]

My Son's future MBA will include a case study on how nobody understood TSLA properly!

 

[Curt Renz]

Benzinga - 19 minutes ago: Touchscreen Gear OK - NHTSA

Quote from NHTSA:

A properly configured transmission shift control operated by means of a touch screen interface would not violate federal motor vehicle safety standards. Also, Tesla has certified compliance with all applicable safety standards. At this time, there are no known compliance concerns related to the shift control configuration.

 

[woodisgood]

Guys and gals, I strongly believe in LEAPS and HODL. However, the temptation to buy a chunk of Jan 2022 $900 calls is getting strong. If at some point TSLA drops to $550 or less, I'm doing it.

Thoughts?

Probably 2023 $1000 for me but yes, thinking around $550 level. At least Sep 2022 so can hold for a year.

 

[GOVA]

LOL. Just look at 2020 Feb to July TSLA price action. Same thing. Just rinse and repeat me thinks.

 

[st_lopes]

I saw your post yesterday and I was like hmmm lemme check with my sources to see if a call did happen. It did, and so far 4 separate sources have confirmed to me that it took place. So thanks for your post which lead me to reaching out to my own sources. All the best, Sawyer

Welcome to TMC.

 

[2daMoon]

Earlier this week I bought a share, as I couldn't pass up a sale like that. But, I've been losing sleep ever since making that buy. I wake up in the night, tossing and turning, and I just haven't been able to get past the mental anguish that hangs over me like a cloud, all over something I noticed only after having made that purchase.

You see, after adding the fresh picked chair to a spreadsheet I keep, it was only then I realized how the last two digits of my total number of TSLA chairs ended in 24. That's not a very "round" number as it isn't an easy multiple of either five or ten. I know there are others who understand just how vexing this can be, once you've noticed it. It has been debilitating for me. To add further disappointment to the ordeal, over the past couple of days I drove through McGregor, Texas twice and didn't see a single rocket firing. Even after the GPS messed up and routed me practically to the SpaceX gate, all I got to see was an active school zone, slowing me from getting back on the highway.

It has been just one thing after another this week.

Today, despite how I've become weak and tired from the strain this has caused, I went sifting through the lint in the couch and scraped up enough loose change to remedy this awful oversight on my part, and so I've added 1 more share today.

I feel like a great weight has been lifted from my shoulders and everything is now right with the world again. I'm going to see if I can put a cherry on top with a rocket launch this afternoon that might encourage the SP to follow suit and aim for the stars.

Or, at least 2daMoon.

 

[deshkart]

LOL. Just look at 2020 Feb to July TSLA price action. Same thing. Just rinse and repeat me thinks.

yup... this is going to 2020 all over again.. it will be insane...

 

[KevinR]

4 more @ 608.37

Tesla makes me spend more.
TSLA makes me buy more.
It is a wonderfully vicious cycle...