Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

[winfield100]

This is why Elon should do something simple like rainforests conservation/reforestation campaigns with his Musk Foundation. Easy, simple, probably cheap, good for envinronment, good for PR.

electrify Puerto Rico perhaps?
(as a proof of concept)
Elon's minions do read TMC?

 

[KarenRei]

• Forwarding an email sent to you is generally not a copyright violation in most jurisdictions

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The standard is not a "creative work", but "original work of authorship fixed in any tangible medium of expression". Creative expression is not a requirement.

 

[homer214]

Any analyst who characterizes negotiating, financing and building a Gigafactory in China that will become operational late this year as "setting a foot into China" is a complete imbecile.

Did my small part to fight the Jonas nonsense by ordering FSD this morning.

 

[scaesare]

Don’t hate the players - hate the game.

I prefer to hate both.

I'm an equal opportunity h8r.

 

[humbaba]

Technically, everything you write is automatically copyrighted, with or without a notice, and is illegal to reproduce.

Yes, there's violations en masse every day. Including the very concept of an email forward, for example.

You are neglecting fair use provisions, but also with email there is, in effect, an implied permission to to reply or forward. Just because everything is copyrighted* as soon as it is set in tangible form (electrons are tangible? I guess so!) doesn't mean nothing can be done.

* actually, not everything is copyrighted, though it is getting harder to give examples with the exceptions being narrowed by interested parties. But last I checked a recipe could not be copyrighted. Things like grocery lists are also not copyrightable. But it gets harder to talk about this intelligently because of the exceptions. And then you have the silliness of two imaginary property right concepts brought to bear on code: somehow it is governed by both copyright and patent. Sigh.

 

[AudubonB]

MODERATOR:
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Last word.

 

[Fact Checking]

Mod: Too bad! This deleted post missed the cut-off by a minute.

 

[humbaba]

OT

The MMD may be ending. With ~25% average trade volume in first hour this is shaping to be an active trading day with a chance of regaining some ground. Here's looking to an increase in $TSLA over the course of the rest of the day.

[edit: should've kept my mouth shut, $TSLA dropped again after posting ]

 

[Unpilot]

Did my part...bought some more stock.
I'm afraid to look how over exposed I am now

 

[Drax7]

Miserable price action.
Wonder why Elon was removed from CEO position at
PayPal. Did he exhibit same behavior there.

 

[dc_h]

Who will be the next brand to stop building cars, after Ford. Buick seems logical.

These car models from BMW to Mercedes to Toyota are taking forever to sell on dealers' lots

 

[DurandalAI]

Well, Autopilot price changes.... Gotta order Autopilot and FSD, it seems Tesla is refunding the original $ I put down on EAP.. The inconsistency is making even me a little irritated.

Edit: How this relates to investments? Well, I invest in Tesla, and I think these price changes back and forth have a negative impact on Tesla customers and their opinion of the company.

 

[humbaba]

Who will be the next brand to stop building cars, after Ford. Buick seems logical.

These car models from BMW to Mercedes to Toyota are taking forever to sell on dealers' lots

Fiat seems at risk, though I don't have any idea what other than sedans they offer. A recurring theme in the comments is captured here from the last one:

These are difficult days for sedans in general, and mass-market models are having the toughest time of all.

With the M3SR coming into availability this year I suspect that 2019 will be even harder on legacy sedans.

 

[Right_Said_Fred]

Elon, please deliver us from Adam Jonas.

 

[Sean Wagner]

Apologies I was making a stupid joke about the jet, I have no issues with Elon using a Jet, and the fact he pays for it himself is great (I did not know that). If I could edit/delete my post I would.

I'm not returning my laughs!

The thing is, unlike most billionaires using a private jet, he actually is trying to create rapid, cheap, clean long-distance transit for everyone (Hyperloop).

As we all know, every billionaire could remand himself to life in a monastery [sans amenities] and it would not change a thing regarding greenhouse gases and noxious emissions. The anti-science coalition never wondering why Venus is such a hellhole would be happier than all get out if Elon dropped everything to build Musk Towers in strange places run by corrupt strongmen.

Only change on a massive scale will suffice. And sadly fear is to be expected - fear of people and their motivations mostly, I think.

What is really bad about Elon Musk and Tesla is the inexplicable conceit of imagining and attempting to provide attractive solutions while leveraging brains and capital to build something of substance. As ever, the costs and the benefits of this transition will be distributed asymmetrically. That's where public policies should also come in. There are shifts afoot, and the clearer this is addressed, the better.

Change on a massive scale and mostly for the better, but change nevertheless.

How dare he and we?

 

[1101011]

Trip Chowdhry is the biggest buffoon in the analyst community...Like I said, Total Buffoon.

At least he's good at something.

 

[winfield100]

Did my part...bought some more stock.
I'm afraid to look how over exposed I am now

did my part also. bought a bunch of ETF ARKK (that has TSLA w/a $4,000 price point)

 

[Joe F]

Just listened to CNBC cite the FAA in deeming the 737 Max aircraft airworthy and not one hint of the negative points they repeatedly stress about Tesla. They even expressed dismay at the the $BA market cap losses.

Amazing how much an advertisers dollars go towards positive press...

 

[anthonyj]

It’s not because of Adam Jonas. Stock went up last time Jonas downgraded. People are waking up and starting to realize something is not right at Tesla.

3 weeks ago: we’re opening more retail locations! Very important!
2 weeks ago: we’re closing down most of our stores to stay profitable!
Yesterday: Nvm, changing plans again

Tesla acts like a startup company. Which is fine, but it shouldn’t be on public markets

 

[KarenRei]

It’s not because of Adam Jonas. Stock went up last time Jonas downgraded. People are waking up and starting to realize something is not right at Tesla.

3 weeks ago: we’re opening more retail locations! Very important!
2 weeks ago: we’re closing down most of our stores to stay profitable!
Yesterday: Nvm, changing plans again

Tesla acts like a startup company. Which is fine, but it shouldn’t be on public markets

Right. So the proper course is to stick with a decision even when you're convinced it's wrong, or when the reaction to its disclosure is strongly negative?

Also, they shouldn't have built GA4 in a tent, huh? Because quickly deciding on and implementing a course of action is "acting like a startup company", no?

You don't have to tell me that markets don't respond well to quick change. That doesn't mean that being agile is bad. Also not agile: the non-avian dinosaurs.

Don't get me wrong - I think they need to work on comms, and learn to be better at slowly breaking news, because people take news better when you break it to them slowly. Cranking back Elon's Too-Much-Upfront-Honesty lever would be great too. And yes, it's long since time for them to implement a specific, firm policy on refunds, and a bunch of other things. That's very valid criticism.

But not sticking to a course that appears to be bad for the company is not a fault.