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Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

Lessmog

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Elon continues to ignore the collapse of biodiversity, which is a much bigger threat than climate change already. None of his projects aims at preventing this catastrophe and IMO, both SpaceX and Tesla will speed up the biodiversity collapse by 1) reducing the cost of transportation, 2) making it easier to live/work in remote places (however clean!) and 3) reducing the cost of labor (which makes it muich easier to exploit nature for some quick bucks).

That's a long story but remember it took a long time for Elon to realize that climate change had become an existential risk (he admitted to recognize this long after he joined/funded Tesla). Since biodiversity collapse is happening now and keeps accelerating (NB: world leaders are only starting to work on CO2 emissions when biodiversity is dropping at a faster rate than temperature are rising...), I doubt Elon will change his position early enough, mostly because all his projects will be at the forefront of the new main threat. We'll see...

You expect Tesla and SpaceX to solve all the worlds problems? Putting a giant dent in climate change and making our species multi planetary while also making a profit is not enough?
Does anyone expect one person to solve every problem? Clearly not.
That does not mean it's wrong to point out existing problems that are insufficiently addressed, in my opinion.

….As above…..
 
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Unpilot

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Does anyone expect one person to solve every problem? Clearly not.
That does not mean it's wrong to point out existing problems that are insufficiently addressed, in my opinion.
Yes...but...to say "Elon continues to ignore the collapse of biodiversity" that is too much IMHO.

Why not also say "Elon STILL has not cured cancer"
…Ditto….
 
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oldTAVguy

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Does anyone expect one person to solve every problem? Clearly not.
That does not mean it's wrong to point out existing problems that are insufficiently addressed, in my opinion.
Maybe in another thread. Let's stick to Tesla and not increase noise on this forum. Thank You, in advance.
 

Krugerrand

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Better to have friends than enemies.

There would have been 0 risk to Giga Berlin delays or shenanigans had Tesla partnered with Mercedes as an example. Build ANOTHER factory with their money, put Tesla batteries and AP software in those cars.

You open up EV lines that didn't exist before and Tesla doesn't have the bandwidth to handle. EV Minivans, EV coupes, EV SUVs without FWD.

Selfishly, I would personally love a Mercedes Sprinter van with FSD a 225KW battery pack.
That’s typically not how partnerships go when melding two different cultures - I’m referencing ‘smoothness’ of decisions, plans, movement towards goal, etc…

The Panasonic partnership has certainly had visible ups and downs. Most assuredly there’s a lot we don’t know and I’m positive it’s not all been silky whipped cream.

Indeed, partnerships tend to epically fail at some point. It’s a rare partnership that lasts simply because it takes a lot of work by both parties on so many levels when they START on the same page. Tesla and Mercedes are not even reading from the same book.

As much as it would help ‘us’ for other companies and entrepreneurs to partner with Elon and his various companies, the truth to me seems to be that most are unwilling to risk everything for what’s important for all.

I don’t foresee any automotive partnerships consisting of the old guard. Toyota, Mercedes and Daimler all had a chance to go big with Tesla and they all packed up their toys and went home. I believe it’s too late now. Elon wouldn’t hardly give an inch when Tesla was struggling to survive, he’s not going to now. It’s his way (what he believes to be the best approach) or it’s no way. And there’s no way Mercedes is going to do it Elon’s way.
 

Artful Dodger

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Assuming you did it without visually looking at the charts, how were you able to identify this? Which platform did you use?

This is no digital archive for Bollinger Band historic data (that I'm aware of). You either have to track it yourself daily, or use the raster images in publicly-available charts.

Cheers!
 

TheTalkingMule

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This is my new favorite....

Screenshot_20211001-094346_Google.jpg
 

2daMoon

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That’s typically not how partnerships go when melding two different cultures - I’m referencing ‘smoothness’ of decisions, plans, movement towards goal, etc…

The Panasonic partnership has certainly had visible ups and downs. Most assuredly there’s a lot we don’t know and I’m positive it’s not all been silky whipped cream.

Indeed, partnerships tend to epically fail at some point. It’s a rare partnership that lasts simply because it takes a lot of work by both parties on so many levels when they START on the same page. Tesla and Mercedes are not even reading from the same book.

As much as it would help ‘us’ for other companies and entrepreneurs to partner with Elon and his various companies, the truth to me seems to be that most are unwilling to risk everything for what’s important for all.

I don’t foresee any automotive partnerships consisting of the old guard. Toyota, Mercedes and Daimler all had a chance to go big with Tesla and they all packed up their toys and went home. I believe it’s too late now. Elon wouldn’t hardly give an inch when Tesla was struggling to survive, he’s not going to now. It’s his way (what he believes to be the best approach) or it’s no way. And there’s no way Mercedes is going to do it Elon’s way.
I agree wholeheartedly with this.

My comment that the first to partner with Tesla would have a "slim" chance of survival is based mostly on this sentiment @Krugerrand points out. Legacy management simply does not have the vision and risk tolerance to attempt anything the way Tesla does.

The ONLY way for them to survive is to adopt a different approach. Their century-old perspectives will not allow for this. Therefore, they will fail.

Elon has extended the olive branch and has been shunned by those who could most benefit from the relationship he offers.
 
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scaesare

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Well, no reason other than the Tesla Mission Statement.

Such an arrangement offers Tesla the opportunity to increase the rate of the transition.

Or, do you think that Elon is just an "us versus them" kinda guy? I don't.
I agree that the idea aligns with the mission... and I think Elon remains open to the concept/idea, however a couple of things have seemed to become evident over time:

1) The effort on the part of the other party has to be "in good faith" (the term Tesla used when offering up it's patents for use), and it's not clear that other manufacturers are really attempting to do that... they seem to be reluctantly participating, or in many cases attempting to play both sides. It's telling that we've not yet heard of any examples of other manufacturers using Tesla patented tech despite the offer (not that such would necessarily be disclosed). While we have heard of Supercharger access potentially being opened up to others, it's not clear that isn't just Tesla's own initiative, not something other companies are actively participating in.

2) It would have to be worth Tesla's time and energy as compared to just doing the same thing on their own. Supplying cells to a manufacturer who's only half hearted, when Tesla needs all they can get? Devoting engineering resources to assisting another company who is also still promoting ICE vehicles while Tesla is at the same time constantly hiring for positions to fill? Providing motors or inverters to a company that is going to utilize them in a platform that's repurposed and will end up being a poor competitor as a result?


I think Elon is disappointed thus far, and has resigned himself to the idea that, for the time being, the best thing is to just innovate and push flat out and force hands. Perhaps once the tide has completely turned, whatever players are left (or new ones that have taken their place), will be of the mindset to cooperate with Tesla, but even that seems a long shot.
 

Artful Dodger

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TSLA's 10-day Moving Average MA(10) is currently about 764.35

Since hedgies generally want at least 10 bucks of churn intraday, and they know the SP is likely to close at at least 775 (see Options Open Interest), they may be targeting the MA(10) for the MMD:

EDIT: Chart updated to 10:20 ET

sc.TSLA.10-DayChart.2021-10-01.10-20.png


GLTA.

Cheers!
 
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You expect Tesla and SpaceX to solve all the worlds problems? Putting a giant dent in climate change and making our species multi planetary while also making a profit is not enough?

Mod: And this is why such postings do not belong here
Hi Mod,

Are such postings not allowed b/c they can be misunderstood? My comment isn't about fixing all the world's problems.

This thread isn't just about the very short term, is it? I thought we merged the general and short term threads months ago.

I've been quite a long term investor, having put 98+% of my wealth and savings into TSLA since 2012. When I made this decision, we could start a discussion and not shut it down simply b/c the topic was a tiny-bit controversial or b/c Tesla was not perfectly addressing the thing being discussed.

Tesla plans to produce 20 millions autonomous vehicles annually by 20230, right? We know they also plan to make the cost per mile far cheaper than any currently existing mode of transport. So, transportation should become extremely affordable to a point where many people could subscribe to a robotaxi service and not care much about distance (time is not an issue anymore if you don't have to drive and spend the while trip on NetFlix or a PlayStation).

People will quickly move further out in the suburbs, en masse. And that is simply not sustainable b/c of the biodiversity catastrophe.

Are comments about climate change labeled as Off Topic in this thread? I don't think so, especially since space can be discussed at will (even though there is far less relationship between Tesla/TSLA and space than with the soon-to-be #1 global issue).

Please accept a little bit of controversy here to avoid losing substance for long term investors here. That being said, I'm OK with continuing such discussion elsewhere (e.g TSLA, biodiversity collapse & climate change) but if we can't create bridges with the main threads, the discussion cannot take place.

Edit: I just saw the latest warning Wiki - Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable, the page wasn't refreshed when I posted the above comment. My bad
 

ZeApelido

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