I doubt there will be any changes. Any changes means it gets sent right back to the Senate. Democrats will avoid that at all costs.House vote is expected Friday, per this Pelosi statement, but I'd expect there to be changes prior to a vote.
Senate passes Inflation Reduction Act; House to vote next
The Senate passed the Inflation Reduction Act along party lines, 51-50, handing Democrats a crucial legislative win as the midterm cycle ramps up.abc7.com
"The president urged the House to pass the bill as soon as possible. Speaker Nancy Pelosi said her chamber would "move swiftly to send this bill to the president's desk." House votes are expected Friday."
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Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable
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There is zero point in a low priced car for the next few years. It would add cost but not sell a single additional car. Elon has said that the lower priced car is postponed with no date when it might be.
The issue is that lawyers can be politicians. This wasn't the case originally, because lawyers as officers of the court shouldn't be making laws due to conflict of interest, but in the 1850s the law was changed.
I hope so, it would be great to get this done with so we can move on to talking about CPCA and Q3 blowout numbers
I'd like to take a chance to say here:
Elon Musk is one of the most ridiculously awesome people that humanity has ever produced.
Elon Musk is one of the most ridiculously awesome people that humanity has ever produced.
When does Tesla introduced the Model 3 Mid Range for $54,990 with a 300 mile range? Software limited that people can upgrade via software update to LR.
Are we really? Don't they have to introduce and sell these systems in volume in order to take that kind of money?
I'd like to add ... he is the human who made me the most money
more than what I could make for myself /s
jkirkwood001
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Hey governments, STOP. FUNDING. OIL & GAS.
(argh!!!!!!)
(This goes for Canada as well as USA, BTW)
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What's In the Inflation Reduction Act?
JUL 28, 2022Committee for Responsible Federal Budgets
TAXES
Update (8/3/2022): This analysis has been significantly updated to reflect a newly released score of the Inflation Reduction Act of 2022 from the Congressional Budget Office.
The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) just released its score of the Inflation Reduction Act (IRA) of 2022, legislation which would use Fiscal Year (FY) 2022 reconciliation instructions to raise revenue; lower prescription drug costs; fund new energy, climate, and health care provisions; and reduce budget deficits.
Based on the CBO score, the legislation would reduce deficits by $305 billion through 2031 – including over $100 billion of net scoreable savings and another $200 billion of gross revenue from stronger tax compliance.
Because the prescription drug savings would be larger than new spending, CBO finds the legislation would modestly reduce net spending by almost $15 billion through 2031, including by nearly $40 billion in 2031.
Once fully phased in, the plan would also slightly cut net taxes by about $2 billion per year – with expanded energy and climate tax credits roughly matching the size of new tax increases. The legislation would generate nearly $300 billion of net revenue over a decade, mostly from improved tax compliance and the spillover effects of higher wages as a result of lower health premiums -- neither of which are tax increases -- along with early revenue collection as corporations shift the timing of certain payments.
Overall, CBO estimates the legislation includes $790 billion of offsets to fund roughly $485 billion of new spending and tax breaks (as negotiators account for the policies, it includes $739 billion of offsets and $433 billion of investments). Unlike prior versions of this reconciliation bill, such as the House-passed Build Back Better Act, this legislation would reduce deficits. Along with other elements of the bill, it is likely to reduce inflationary pressures and thus reduce the risk of a possible recession.
Inflation Reduction Act Summary
| Policy | Cost (-)/Savings (2022-2031) |
|---|---|
| Energy and Climate | -$386 billion |
| Clean Electricity Tax Credits | -$161 billion |
| Air Pollution, Hazardous Materials, Transportation and Infrastructure | -$40 billion |
| Individual Clean Energy Incentives | -$37 billion |
| Clean Manufacturing Tax Credits | -$37 billion |
| Clean Fuel and Vehicle Tax Credits | -$36 billion |
| Conservation, Rural Development, Forestry | -$35 billion |
| Building Efficiency, Electrification, Transmission, Industrial, DOE Grants and Loans | -$27 billion |
| Other Energy and Climate Spending | -$14 billion |
| Health Care | -$98 billion |
| Extension of Expanded ACA Subsidies (three years) | -$64 billion |
| Part D Re-Design, LIS Subsidies, Vaccine Coverage | -$34 billion |
| Total, Spending and Tax Breaks | -$485 billion |
| Health Savings | $322 billion |
| Repeal Trump-Era Drug Rebate Rule | $122 billion |
| Drug Price Inflation Cap | $101 billion |
| Negotiation of Certain Drug Prices | $99 billion |
| Revenue | $468 billion |
| 15 Percent Corporate Minimum Tax | $313 billion |
| IRS Tax Enforcement Funding* | $124 billion |
| Closure of Carried Interest Loophole | $13 billion |
| Methane Fee, Superfund Fee, Other Revenue | $18 billion |
| Total, Savings and Revenue | $790 billion |
| Net Deficit Reduction | $305 billion |
| Memo: Deficit reduction with permanent ACA subsidy extension | ~$155 billion |
Figures are rounded, based on available information as of 8/3/2022, and subject to change. Figures may not sum due to rounding
The package includes $386 billion of climate and energy spending and tax breaks – mainly for new or expanded tax credits to promote clean energy generation, electrification, green technology retrofits for homes and buildings, greater use of clean fuels, environmental conservation, and wider adoption of electric vehicles, among other purposes. The package would also increase health care spending by nearly $100 billion, mainly by extending the American Rescue Plan's temporarily-expanded Affordable Care Act (ACA) premium tax credits for an additional three years, through 2025. Accompanying this new spending would be various regulatory and permitting reforms to help reduce energy costs outside of the reconciliation package.
The $485 billion of new costs would be offset with $790 billion of additional revenue and savings over a decade. This includes roughly $313 billion from imposing a 15 percent minimum tax on corporate book income; $322 billion for various reforms to reduce prescription drug costs; $124 billion ($204 billion gross) from reducing the tax gap through stronger Internal Revenue Service (IRS) enforcement; $13 billion from closing the carried interest loophole; and $18 billion from fees on methane emissions, Superfund cleanup sites, and a permanent extension of the higher tax rate for the Black Lung Disability Trust Fund.
The legislation would reduce deficits by over $20 billion in the first year, and – with interest – over $85 billion in 2031. We recently estimated it would reduce debt by nearly $2 trillion over two decades. Assuming the permanent unpaid-for extension of ACA subsidies (which we would strongly oppose), the plan would likely save almost $50 billion per year by 2031.
Although reconciliation was designed for deficit reduction, this would be the first time in many years it was actually used for this purpose. It would also be the largest deficit reduction bill since the Budget Control Act of 2011. With inflation at a 40-year high and debt approaching record levels, this would be a welcomed improvement from the status quo.
The problem is that is all out of date. The closure of the carried interest loophole has been removed since that analysis was done, so at a minimum it is off by $13B which would make it no longer a deficit reduction.What's In the Inflation Reduction Act?
JUL 28, 2022
Committee for Responsible Federal Budgets
TAXES
Update (8/3/2022): This analysis has been significantly updated to reflect a newly released score of the Inflation Reduction Act of 2022 from the Congressional Budget Office.
The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) just released its score of the Inflation Reduction Act (IRA) of 2022, legislation which would use Fiscal Year (FY) 2022 reconciliation instructions to raise revenue; lower prescription drug costs; fund new energy, climate, and health care provisions; and reduce budget deficits.
Based on the CBO score, the legislation would reduce deficits by $305 billion through 2031 – including over $100 billion of net scoreable savings and another $200 billion of gross revenue from stronger tax compliance.
Because the prescription drug savings would be larger than new spending, CBO finds the legislation would modestly reduce net spending by almost $15 billion through 2031, including by nearly $40 billion in 2031.
Once fully phased in, the plan would also slightly cut net taxes by about $2 billion per year – with expanded energy and climate tax credits roughly matching the size of new tax increases. The legislation would generate nearly $300 billion of net revenue over a decade, mostly from improved tax compliance and the spillover effects of higher wages as a result of lower health premiums -- neither of which are tax increases -- along with early revenue collection as corporations shift the timing of certain payments.
Overall, CBO estimates the legislation includes $790 billion of offsets to fund roughly $485 billion of new spending and tax breaks (as negotiators account for the policies, it includes $739 billion of offsets and $433 billion of investments). Unlike prior versions of this reconciliation bill, such as the House-passed Build Back Better Act, this legislation would reduce deficits. Along with other elements of the bill, it is likely to reduce inflationary pressures and thus reduce the risk of a possible recession.
Inflation Reduction Act Summary
Policy Cost (-)/Savings (2022-2031) Energy and Climate -$386 billion Clean Electricity Tax Credits -$161 billion Air Pollution, Hazardous Materials, Transportation and Infrastructure -$40 billion Individual Clean Energy Incentives -$37 billion Clean Manufacturing Tax Credits -$37 billion Clean Fuel and Vehicle Tax Credits -$36 billion Conservation, Rural Development, Forestry -$35 billion Building Efficiency, Electrification, Transmission, Industrial, DOE Grants and Loans -$27 billion Other Energy and Climate Spending -$14 billion Health Care -$98 billion Extension of Expanded ACA Subsidies (three years) -$64 billion Part D Re-Design, LIS Subsidies, Vaccine Coverage -$34 billion Total, Spending and Tax Breaks -$485 billion Health Savings $322 billion Repeal Trump-Era Drug Rebate Rule $122 billion Drug Price Inflation Cap $101 billion Negotiation of Certain Drug Prices $99 billion Revenue $468 billion 15 Percent Corporate Minimum Tax $313 billion IRS Tax Enforcement Funding* $124 billion Closure of Carried Interest Loophole $13 billion Methane Fee, Superfund Fee, Other Revenue $18 billion Total, Savings and Revenue $790 billion Net Deficit Reduction $305 billion Memo: Deficit reduction with permanent ACA subsidy extension ~$155 billion
*IRS funding provision involves an $80 billion expenditure over ten years, which CBO estimates will yield $204 billion in additional revenue for a net savings of $124 billion.
Figures are rounded, based on available information as of 8/3/2022, and subject to change. Figures may not sum due to rounding
The package includes $386 billion of climate and energy spending and tax breaks – mainly for new or expanded tax credits to promote clean energy generation, electrification, green technology retrofits for homes and buildings, greater use of clean fuels, environmental conservation, and wider adoption of electric vehicles, among other purposes. The package would also increase health care spending by nearly $100 billion, mainly by extending the American Rescue Plan's temporarily-expanded Affordable Care Act (ACA) premium tax credits for an additional three years, through 2025. Accompanying this new spending would be various regulatory and permitting reforms to help reduce energy costs outside of the reconciliation package.
The $485 billion of new costs would be offset with $790 billion of additional revenue and savings over a decade. This includes roughly $313 billion from imposing a 15 percent minimum tax on corporate book income; $322 billion for various reforms to reduce prescription drug costs; $124 billion ($204 billion gross) from reducing the tax gap through stronger Internal Revenue Service (IRS) enforcement; $13 billion from closing the carried interest loophole; and $18 billion from fees on methane emissions, Superfund cleanup sites, and a permanent extension of the higher tax rate for the Black Lung Disability Trust Fund.
The legislation would reduce deficits by over $20 billion in the first year, and – with interest – over $85 billion in 2031. We recently estimated it would reduce debt by nearly $2 trillion over two decades. Assuming the permanent unpaid-for extension of ACA subsidies (which we would strongly oppose), the plan would likely save almost $50 billion per year by 2031.
Although reconciliation was designed for deficit reduction, this would be the first time in many years it was actually used for this purpose. It would also be the largest deficit reduction bill since the Budget Control Act of 2011. With inflation at a 40-year high and debt approaching record levels, this would be a welcomed improvement from the status quo.
insaneoctane
Well-Known Member
Isn't it their job to know what they're voting for? Do you think they actually even read the bill...not to mention understand the subtleties? Do they have to pass it to learn what's in it? You shouldn't lower your expectations to the level of incompetence that is so common...that's how things keep getting worse vs better wrt our representation!
Everyone talking bout this law, it's throwing around Billions against Inflation .. got it.
But why is noone talking about opening the SuC Network, benefiting from incentives there as well? - is this another law or part of this one?
But why is noone talking about opening the SuC Network, benefiting from incentives there as well? - is this another law or part of this one?
thesmokingman
Active Member
It was part of BBB, requiring Tesla to open the SuC network so I'm assuming its unchanged, until corrected.
Sinema insisted on keeping the carried interest loophole. But in its place she put a 1% tax on stock buybacks. This brings in a lot more revenue than closing the carried interest loophole. So Sinema's changes actually helped the deficit.
Dude. The national debt is over $30T. The US has given plenty of money out without getting money back.
thesmokingman
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I'm kind of surprised CNBC isn't talking about the bill much today.
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