Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

[Zhelko Dimic]

OT

I disagree. Track times are per lap, it doesn't matter to me if 5 hard laps aren't possible. If single lap times are comparable, then it's a comparable car.

I've taken mine out several times pre-track mode, it was a fine experience. Maybe not a great dedicated track car, but neither is a brand new M3 really. I don't know where you are getting your idea that you can only do 1 or 2 runs. Even without track mode I was able to complete 5 laps on my local track, laps 4 and 5 were just power limited.

I don't care to prove my point, but since you have plenty of 'Informative' flag, I feel need to clarify for people that may think this is import: you have no clue what you're talking about re people that buy car with intention to go to a track.

Firstly, most club events forbid lap timing. Events organized by clubs is where the mass market is. Exclusive events (for profit, by dealers, or sponsors like UnpluggedPerformance) with no insurance and plenty of track time, they are irrelevant, too few people to account for anything. Secondly, track rats participate in club events for the joy of driving and adrenaline, not for competition, and they maximize every minute they're allowed on the track, so no one in their right mind would leave after 5 laps in a session. Etc, etc...

So your whole notion of 'I can do few laps as quick as BMW M3' does not represent mindset of a person that would buy car for the track. This is my final post on the subject.

 

[RobStark]

Basically, FredL killed the referral/Roadster program. While he did not set it up he did take full advantage of it with his Blog (he is NOT a journalist...he is a blogger).

Note: It seems that about the same time the roadster referral came to an end correlates with a turn in the positive/negative index of FredL's blogs..coincidence??

There are many of us that took NO referral 'currency' and were just happy to help the mission and not ourselves.

Plenty of youtubbers got two roadsters.

Youtube Channels Now You Know (Zac and Jesse), Teslabjorn (Bjorn Nyland), LikeTesla (Kim), Whatsinside (Dan and Lincoln) , Marques Brownlee, Teslanomics (Ben Sullins) and maybe missing one or two.

I doubt Tesla tailors referral program around Fred.

 

[Artful Dodger]

In at least one EU country Tesla takes phone orders for the LR RWD. It is unknown if such orders are filled from pre-existing inventory and how many are being filled.

Yeah, doesn't mean they're building any. Tesla took orders for the SR as well, then thought better and converted them all to SR+ orders.

Let us know if you hear of anyone actually taking delivery of a 2019 LR RWD inside the EU.

Cheers!

 

[Causalien]

Ridiculous. The only referral code I ever got credit for was my own

He doesn’t seem very grateful. Guess he feels he deserves them.

We should allow ppl on this forum to put referral codes somewhere. Then ppl can just use the ones from their favorite writer. I really don't want to use fred's.

 

[Artful Dodger]

We should allow ppl on this forum to put referral codes somewhere. Then ppl can just use the ones from their favorite writer. I really don't want to use fred's.

Already done. Search your TMC account setup page for "Tesla referral code" at this link:

https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/account/personal-details

 

[mongo]

Strongly disagree.

Amateurs should NOT do crypto. Its giving the bad guys early access to the secrets.

With billions at stake, why would they not spend $$ to gain an advantage?

And to protect what? Somebody's personal pride/anonymous online reputation? In fact, I hope you were kidding with this suggestion.

SMH.

???
It only costs less than billions to crack AES256, and people are willing to do that for a potential bit of info about Tesla? Better let the government know.. However, I'm guessing verygreen spent orders of magnitude less gleaning the data...
Would it make you feel better if I suggested posting the SHA256 hash of the document instead?
And yeah, I was partly serious and partly joking. Must be because Wikileaks is back in the news that there poison pill fail safe document cache percolated to the top of my brain.

Spoiler: Tesla's Secret

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[⚡️ELECTROMAN⚡️]

If FSD demo will be total flop, it is possible. if they show just recorded video and demonstrate to investors enhanced summon. then under 240 is possible. If they show live FSD on small roads 300 is possible.

At least we can watch and bail if it sucks. Unlike the stupid Model Y reveal.

 

[durkie]

Strongly disagree.

Amateurs should NOT do crypto. Its giving the bad guys early access to the secrets.

With billions at stake, why would they not spend $$ to gain an advantage?

And to protect what? Somebody's personal pride/anonymous online reputation? In fact, I hope you were kidding with this suggestion.

SMH.

What? Maybe you mean amateurs shouldn't design their own cryptosystems? There are lots of good options out there for encrypting data, and this does not seem like a realistic threat model that some company would spend billions to decipher a random file posted on an internet car forum (seriously, why not just pay millions to @verygreen?).

Also, there are plenty of to attest that you know something without revealing the data before hand. Like @mongo said, post a hash of the document.

Everyone should "do" crypto. We all have things to hide, and there are more people listening than ever...

 

[⚡️ELECTROMAN⚡️]

Because over 105 people purchased Gen II( Model S and X) vehicles with Fred's referral code.

Wow and to think they could have given them to Tom and Mel. What a shame. Who would you rather see cruising around in second generation roadster?

 

[Ad Astra]

why does everyone get in a tizzy when FRED puts out these garbage articles? We have a thread called Model S/X refresh imminent that was started LAST YEAR. Everyone got their panties in a bunch with the "spy shots" of the new interior. Elon even said they were NOT putting the 2170's in the Model S. So much mistrust out there and people still fly off the handle with excitement.

Why hasnt the past kept folks in check on these things? IMHO, Fred was getting low on cash so he bumped up his article with an "anonymous" source. WSJ, NYT, CNBC...any of those knuckleheads put that out and everyone from TMC gives them the middle finger and says "yeah right".

people, KEEP CALM and Autopilot on.

In my years following (and working for) Tesla, I’ve come to the conclusion that Fred, for all of his “commitment” to supporting Tesla, is a victim of the “pay per click” advertising model. His leak of the S/X refresh is a telling example of this as it has undoubtedly caused some prospective owners to hold off on a purchase. Mind you that this is the same person who threw a temper tantrum over a $5k price difference on M3P when his abuse of Tesla’s referral program netted him $250k in the form of a free roadster. Needless to say, amidst all of the vitriol spewed against Tesla a “champion” of the mission in the media is a welcome sight, but I’ve come to accept that Fred’s journalistic integrity has been clouded by greed and his ram sized ego. More importantly, his countless grammatical faux pas make my brain hurt.

In any case, I believe that Tesla’s fate will be dictated by their ability to execute, not by conspiracy or the unyielding torrent of FUD. As a former employee I can attest to myriad opportunities for improvement (communications anyone?), however, barring some unforeseen cataclysmic event, there is very little at this point that can get in Tesla’s way except for itself. My advice, ignore the noise, educate those around you where possible, and chive on.

 

[EVDRVN]

In my years following (and working for) Tesla, I’ve come to the conclusion that Fred, for all of his “commitment” to supporting Tesla, is a victim of the “pay per click” advertising model. His leak of the S/X refresh is a telling example of this as it has undoubtedly caused some prospective owners to hold off on a purchase. Mind you that this is the same person who threw a temper tantrum over a $5k price difference on M3P when his abuse of Tesla’s referral program netted him $250k in the form of a free roadster. Needless to say, amidst all of the vitriol spewed against Tesla a “champion” of the mission in the media is a welcome sight, but I’ve come to accept that Fred’s journalistic integrity has been clouded by greed and his ram sized ego. More importantly, his countless grammatical faux pas make my brain hurt.

In any case, I believe that Tesla’s fate will be dictated by their ability to execute, not by conspiracy or the unyielding torrent of FUD. As a former employee I can attest to myriad opportunities for improvement (communications anyone?), however, barring some unforeseen cataclysmic event, there is very little at this point that can get in Tesla’s way except for itself. My advice, ignore the noise, educate those around you where possible, and chive on.

Communication seems to be worst in class at Tesla, I'm 6 months of trying to solve a 5 min issue. I have never seen a more messed up company on communication and CS and marketing blunders. Where to they get their managers, Paypal? This concerns me more than other factors out there, it's like a perpetual glass ceiling.

 

[BornToFly]

Anyone know why ARKK is down $1.02 (2.17%)?

Because I decided to diversify a little and bought some yesterday.

 

[Words of HABIT]

Honestly, it is not surprising, Ontario has a history of excluding Tesla from incentives, starting with the 75K limit years ago when the 14K rebate was introduced (which was chosen to exclude the cheapest Model S available at the time, there was no Model 3 yet), then continuing with the selective wind-down of the rebate last year, when all other mfg cars got a 3 month wind-down period except Tesla. Now, they first choose a limit of 45K to exclude all Tesla, then they added an exception for the Chrysler Pacifica PHEV which is $52K CAD with the wording that cars have to have 7+ seats to qualify for the higher $55K limit. Its all silly word games just like in Germany with the length. If politicians had any honestly they would just say Tesla excluded and be done with it.

BTW, it makes some sense in a way, since Tesla sells the vast majority of EVs, so people clearly do not need incentives to buy them...

Zso Zso, Sad but true. I believe everything you are saying here.
Perhaps Tesla can manufacture a Canadian version M3 with battery inhibitor to get within the <$45k price with option to upgrade battery OTA to match it's current pricing. A shame Ontario Gov't is allowing EV rebates for hybrid vehicles which are nothing more than BEV wannabees. I recall another TMC member mentioning the lack of EV rebates for Tesla compared with other EVs as a badge of honour as Tesla EVs do not need incentives to flourish while all other EV manufactures need them.

 

[Prunesquallor]

A hit piece by George Will in the Washington Post. Not Tesla by name, but subsidies-for-the-rich and coal FUD. Very disappointing.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...ory.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.cfbd1811bca5

Edit: He is getting quite effectively reamed in the comments.

 

[PhaseWhite]

The latest Fred article claims there's evidence for the S&X refresh getting 2170 based battery packs but that doesnt jive with recent statements from Musk that they had no plans nor does it make sense if they are already battery constrained with just 2170s for the Model 3. So what gives? Without seeing the evidence it's hard to know but I'm inclined to think the evidence may have been misinterpreted.

 

[Artful Dodger]

if I suggested posting the SHA256 hash instead

Yes, my first thought was to suggest posting a hash. But doing so just to be able to prove 'prior knowlege' is irresponsible IMHO. Anyone can hack the firmware. Not everyone needs to talk about it.

Better to tease possession of commercial confidential information on Twitter, where anonymous personal reputations go to die.

 

[M3Rider]

At least we can watch and bail if it sucks. Unlike the stupid Model Y reveal.

How is it stupid?

They did what was required of them. From investors standpoint that was good. 75% of parts shared = efficiencies in production and no wild promises that would cause them to struggle with some new issues and disappoint a bunch of customers.
I'm sure they will sell just like promised, S+X+3 numbers combined. Not his fault that SP didn't take off, out of his control.

 

[Carl Raymond]

The latest Fred article claims there's evidence for the S&X refresh getting 2170 based battery packs but that doesnt jive with recent statements from Musk that they had no plans nor does it make sense if they are already battery constrained with just 2170s for the Model 3. So what gives? Without seeing the evidence it's hard to know but I'm inclined to think the evidence may have been misinterpreted.

It says this:

“Sources with access to Tesla’s latest software told Electrek that the code shows that the automaker is now working on Model S and Model X vehicles with the same battery architecture based on the 2170 battery cells found in Model 3.”

Does “based on the” mean the same as “and containing”? I wasn’t sure. There’s plenty new in the Model 3 pack other than bigger cells. It’s possible that they have incorporated the ideas from the 3 pack, but continued with 18650s?

 

[MP3Mike]

It says this:

“Sources with access to Tesla’s latest software told Electrek that the code shows that the automaker is now working on Model S and Model X vehicles with the same battery architecture based on the 2170 battery cells found in Model 3.”

Does “based on the” mean the same as “and containing”? I wasn’t sure. There’s plenty new in the Model 3 pack other than bigger cells. It’s possible that they have incorporated the ideas from the 3 pack, but continued with 21650s.

I assume you mean 18650, not 21650... And I agree the architecture is more important than the cells themselves.

 

[Carl Raymond]

How is it stupid?

They did what was required of them. From investors standpoint that was good. 75% of parts shared = efficiencies in production and no wild promises that would cause them to struggle with some new issues and disappoint a bunch of customers.
I'm sure they will sell just like promised, S+X+3 numbers combined. Not his fault that SP didn't take off, out of his control.

I liked what I saw. 7 seat option. Best in class load space. Indistinguishable from model 3 at first glance means it won’t Osborne the 3. Instead, streamlined will be the new ‘in’ look and every boxy CUV will appear dated and mentally linked to tailpipes.