Nah, it will hurt the reputation of all non-Tesla EV's. People will think of Teslas as the only EV's which don't have batteries that die after a few years. This is already the perception that Nissan Leaf has and it ruins resale value of those cars.
And this sort of stuff is going to hurt the reputation of all EVs when it happens. :Þ
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Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable
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Amazon just delivered my Tesla mug. In a box with a Chevy truck advertisement. Maybe they are reading my TMC posts about selling my truck to buy Tesla stock.
I am wondering what is the take on Tesla's decision to make AP free for China, by the bulls over here at TMC?
Whichever way you look at it, this is a $5k discount on the car. The price of the car is effectively reduced by $5k. Why would Tesla do that when they are just starting their M3 rollout? Makes me wonder about the demand..
Whichever way you look at it, this is a $5k discount on the car. The price of the car is effectively reduced by $5k. Why would Tesla do that when they are just starting their M3 rollout? Makes me wonder about the demand..
Reference showing that all li batteries have the same internal resistance please.
"I am wondering what is the take on free PUP for the US, by the good bulls over here on TMC.
Whichever way you look at it, this is a $5k discount on the car. The price of the car is effectively reduced by $5k. Why would Tesla do that when they are just starting their M3 rollout? Makes me wonder about the demand.."
(Hint: a mandatory option isn't a "discount". Pricing in China effectively already includes EAP. They have to pay $74K for an otherwise barebones LR AWD, which is $49,9k in the US (54,9k with EAP))
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Thank you. I didn't know that. So EAP is included in the jacked up price and they don't have the option of removing it - atleast for now. Nice.
Got fooled by some Twitter FUDsters. If they can fool me, the average Joe blow has no chance against their onslaught.
Krugerrand
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I have no take. Don’t care. Not living in China. Tesla is universally as fair as possible when pricing their vehicles around the world.
You can wonder all you want. The rest of us know there isn’t a demand issue. Cause like we haven’t been hearing that and the plateau argument since 2012. And yet Tesla sales contine to climb quarter after quarter, year after year. I don’t care if Tesla sells electric tricycles, just as long as they keep advancing the mission.
Do try and be more creative, would you?
Krugerrand
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Please. You’ve been around long enough to know all about the FUD machine. Maybe next time a little effort on your part to find the truth. Or would that take away from your joy of coming here to try and drop a short bomb?
Relax. Karen understood my confusion and addressed it.
This article from Fred claims it’s a discount: Tesla makes Autopilot standard on Model 3 in China, again reducing the price in the country
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I rate it “Funny” solely because of the last sentence.
First, we are talking about battery here, that have nothing to do with what they have done in 50+years.
Second, even if we are not talking about battery, this claim is questionable by it self. If you say they are good at financial engineering, I would agree.
Over on Twitter someone is speculating that Elon Musk is in Oslo to personally deliver the first Norwegian Model 3s:
Franco Mossotto on Twitter
Elon Musk landed there tonight and a car carrier that had a stop over at Zeebrugge will arrive there tomorrow morning...
Vessel details for: CITY OF OSLO (Vehicles Carrier) - IMO 9407677, MMSI 563835000, Call Sign 9VGR2 Registered in Singapore | AIS Marine Traffic
PS. Check out that guy's AIS tracking spreadsheet:
Tesla Carriers
Franco Mossotto on Twitter
Elon Musk landed there tonight and a car carrier that had a stop over at Zeebrugge will arrive there tomorrow morning...
Vessel details for: CITY OF OSLO (Vehicles Carrier) - IMO 9407677, MMSI 563835000, Call Sign 9VGR2 Registered in Singapore | AIS Marine Traffic
PS. Check out that guy's AIS tracking spreadsheet:
Tesla Carriers
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Later, we will hear Porsche and Audi say:
"Yes we told you so, electrical cars are a bad idea. May we interest you in the latest combustion technology?"
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According to my Monroney sticker, the electric side mirrors are also part of PUP.
There you have it: FUD. Fred, Uncertainty, Doubt.
Well the e-tron is coming out quite soon, however it's becoming more and more obvious that they're still in the process of catching up with the Model X, and there's currently simply no competition for the Model 3 from any manufacturer, period.
As for VW, I completely agreed. I was basically booed from the stage on a german forum for pointing out that VW had promised the first MEB-based EVs for beginning of 2018, then end of 2018, then beginning of 2019, and now end of 2019. They are basically 2 years late judging by their own announced timeline. The VW fanboys said they don't trust "some unknown internet news page" so I linked the relevant press releases and statements of VW CEO Diess who not only claimed early 2018 as release date for the first I.D. car, but he also promised that it will be "better and cheaper than Tesla".
The VW fans on the forum responded to these undenyable statements by saying that these were just "guidance dates and no hard promises".
If anyone complains about Tesla-fanboys, they haven't met Volkswagen fanboys yet.
The interesting thing is that after some mild improvements in 2016 and 2017, VW stock has stagnated in 2018 and it does not look like there's any long term upward trend. They still sell a LOT of cars but at what margin? I fear the ice may be thinner for them than they let on. I would not be surprised if 2020 is the year when they ask the german state or the ECB for another bailout, like they did in July 2016.
Elon Musk on Twitter:
nice to see Elon continuing the push on improving service worldwide. Should reassure those who were worried about repair delays.
nice to see Elon continuing the push on improving service worldwide. Should reassure those who were worried about repair delays.
Wow, well spotted, good sir!
You are right to doubt: the e-Tron averages 140kW 0..80% in 29 minutes, whereas an S100D hardly manages to average 70kW 0..80% in 50 minutes, therefore the Audi advantage in recharge speed is more like 100%.
The differing efficiency of the vehicles lies mainly in their respective aerodynamics, which is a design/marketing choice rather than a reflection of Audi's engineering competence.
However, I am fairly sure the Audi e-Tron Quattro will soon prove itself capable of completing a 2,000 km road-trip faster than a Tesla X100D.
Lol. Please don't say "Model X" in the same vein as E-Tron. Yes, E-Tron is CUV format (vertically oriented), and its exterior dimensions are relatively large, but interior dimensions aren't even as big as a Model S. A lot of that length is its oversized hood - and its width is almost the same as a Model 3.
Jaguar loves to compare the I-Pace to the Model X, and Audi the same with the E-Tron, because it's Tesla's most expensive vehicle, and the least efficient, and slower-performing than the Model S - so it makes their bad stats look better. Even though they're not even close to the same interior size class. We don't need to repeat their false framing.
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It appears that the EPA combined range on the E-Tron is going to come in at around 200 miles. 80% of an E-Tron's combined range is 160 combined miles. Model S's EPA combined range is 335 miles. 160 combined miles is 48% of a Model S 100D's range. A Model S 100D can average ~115kW up to 100% of an E-Tron's range. The E-Tron also guzzles power like there's no tomorrow. S is hardly as efficient as a Model 3, but it sips power compared to the E-Tron. E-Tron even manages to make I-Pace look efficient.
It's truly staggering how inefficient Audi managed to make the E-Tron. No vehicle whose class isn't of the format "Class (blank) Truck" should have an energy consumption that high.
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