Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

[StealthP3D]

A $1,2M bet, but still

Seriously, who throws their life's savings of $1,2M at something that the market thinks has 8/1000ths of ending up ITM?

Of course, there's no evidence it's true or real.

 

[Mkorpal]

Anytime I see someone claim FSD is impossible, or decades away, I just point at SpaceX as to why it's going to happen and much sooner than anyone realizes.

 

[SageBrush]

They also have by far the lowest launch costs per new Internet service bandwidth in space: with every 60 satellites they are launching more than 1 Terabit of bandwidth into space, at a cost of about $20m-$30m/launch.

I took your numbers, and extrapolating based on a 20:1 sharing scheme came up with 0.6 MB/sec/$
That does sound really, really cheap

 

[Mike Smith]

TD Waterhouse is down. Can't trade or contact anyone. I've been trying to sell Feb calls since 574..

 

[SageBrush]

I've had the WSJ TSLA up on my screen (Yes, I know it is a garbage rag) because the SP is well behaved and updates by itself. I was amused to see this:

 

[uselesslogin]

I realize I'm just being a human and seeing a random pattern. But anyway here are some numbers.

Closing prices on day following earnings releases.
Q4 2012: $35.15
Q3 2019: $299.68

Closing prices on day before next earnings release:
Q1 2013: $55.79
Q4 2019: $5xx?

In terms of percentage this pre-ER run-up was bigger than in 2013. This puts anyone who is short in a potentially worse position than in 2013. That being said there are more shares available to covering and shorts are a lower percentage of the float this time around. Either way lets see what happens to the closing price on Monday:
2013: $87.80
2020: $878???

I'll tell you what though I'm far from being all in on this one. I've kept some cash from the run-up so I'm ready to buy if it goes down. Are the shorts ready to short more if it goes up?

 

[FrankSG]

Looking at some of the selling pressure today, it looks like somebody might be shorting ahead of earnings.

I'm glad I'm not that somebody. I don't think I'd be able to sleep.

EDIT: nvm, I just noticed macros are taking a huge nosedive. TSLA is quite resilient in light of that.

 

[ammulder]

What Tesla’s $100B Market Cap Says About The Company

I liked this:

"This may seem like a love letter to Tesla, but it’s not, it’s just observation."​

Which is to say, just reading out the facts on Tesla is so positive that it sounds like a love letter!

(Dunno how I'm supposed to concentrate on anything today until 6:30...)

 

[willow_hiller]

That's a graph of various strikes on a particular date, not the implied probability of given strikes over time.

I wanted to show first how the implied probabilities on a given date don't necessarily show a clear picture (i.e. overlapping long and short probabilities). Over time, it's even messier; I'm assuming this is because there are some very different beliefs held by people who trade weeklies, and as the expiry moves further out there may be more protective puts. Here's the implied probability curves generated by the options chain for the next 10 expiry dates:

If I understand this chart right it is implying most of the short value people are paying for is for a stock price move of about -50% in less than 5 trading days. Aren’t these state price distributions usually much more centered around current price?

Yes, that's what I meant when I said the generalized inverse can cause some weirdness. It doesn't really show the magnitude of the probability, just the inflection points. In theory you can calculate the state prices of a security by multiplying the inverse of the payoff matrix by the price matrix, but in reality I've found that the payoff matrix is always rank deficient, so instead of making massive deficient matrices I'm finding smaller full-rank matrices and averaging the resultant state prices. This particular chart below took 4 hours of processing to find all of those full-rank matrices! Just like the one generated by the generalized inverse it shows a long peak at around 650 and a short peak below 300, but you can also see all of those really highly priced states right above the underlying being marked as outliers by the boxplot.

 

[Lessmog]

This is the beginning of the end for ICE companies. Car sales fall as people start saving up for a really nice EV. Used (ICE) car values drop along with a reduction in new ICE car above and beyond the additional EV sales. Because people are holding off purchases until they have saved enough for a new EV. This was all predicted years ago:

Nissan takes the axe to the house Ghosn built

Remember, the ICE-AXE was what killed the Trotsky in the age of the hoarse.
Now almost all Ghosn, as Elon noted earlier.

 

[EVNow]

Can you repost with Q3 2019 data added in? Please @EVNow

Here ...

 

[[email protected]]

I will be happy just to be able to say that eating cat food is unlikely to happen.

...while others here are dreaming of private islands made of cat food and catnip!

 

[Right_Said_Fred]

5 points up, flat or 5 points down. What SP does today really doesn't make a difference, in light of what will happen overnight and tomorrow. It's completely irrelevant.

The average move, up or down, on the day after ER during the last three years was 8,38% (thanks @EVNow for the chart). If we get that tomorrow it's a move of 47,8 points.

Fun fact: if we get the same 17,67% change we got three months ago - hopefully up - we're looking at a 100,7 point move.

 

[Mike Smith]

Never use TD Waterhouse. I placed orders to sell calls and they're just stuck as 'received'. I can't even cancel or change them. Nobody answering the phone. This has happened before. I'm an idiot for staying with them.

 

[LN1_Casey]

If he gets COO he will just start up a new company to fill his spare time

He might actually focus more on the Tesla Solar side, or Neuralink, or Starlink, or The Boring Company. He has so many already.

 

[DragonWatch]

Who will blink first? Bears/Shorts or Bulls/Long?

No fair using my interpretation of life as MajorBS either.

My person view is that if Tesla does not succeed, neither will you/I

My color coding does not represent the philosophy of life either (red, yellow, green - humm, maybe it does)

 

[KarenRei]

I wanted to show first how the implied probabilities on a given date don't necessarily show a clear picture (i.e. overlapping long and short probabilities). Over time, it's even messier; I'm assuming this is because there are some very different beliefs held by people who trade weeklies, and as the expiry moves further out there may be more protective puts. Here's the implied probability curves generated by the options chain for the next 10 expiry dates:

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That's exactly what I was looking for, and you're right, it's much stranger than I expected! Surely that strike-based noise represents a form of (exploitable) market mispricing, if accurate. There's no logical reason that the market should think that the mean value of the stock will be at $700 in late February, then $500 in early March, then $750 a week later, then down to $630....

 

[Zaxxon]

Me for the next six hours...

 

[Chunky Jr.]

Reiterate Sell, as we see outsize risk to Tesla executing on a chunky guide

Note that I have nothing to do with this

 

[Nocturnal]

I can't seem to find it, but wasn't there another Elon tweet this morning along the lines of "ca rs are under appreciated"?