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Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

UnknownSoldier

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We'll find out this week. Either it stays spotty or is widespread by end of the week.

It is already widespread, and has been for awhile now globally. We just haven't seen it yet because testing has been nonexistent and the virus has been quietly spreading and incubating in the population. By the end of this week or the next, hospitals will be overwhelmed in most major cities because people will finally start exhibiting symptoms of the virus which has been spreading all this time. It will be far too late to do anything about it by then. You can't close the barn door after the horse has already bolted.

Anyways, since the mods are still on strike, I'll let that be my last post about you know what here. Be prepared for tomorrow, because the bloodbath will continue. Futures opened limit down and have been pegged there since.
 

Singuy

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It is already widespread, and has been for awhile now globally. We just haven't seen it yet because testing has been nonexistent and the virus has been quietly spreading and incubating in the population. By the end of this week or the next, hospitals will be overwhelmed in most major cities because people will finally start exhibiting symptoms of the virus which has been spreading all this time. It will be far too late to do anything about it by then. You can't close the barn door after the horse has already bolted.

Anyways, since the mods are still on strike, I'll let that be my last post about you know what here. Be prepared for tomorrow, because the bloodbath will continue. Futures opened limit down and have been pegged there since.
Has it? Nas recovered to -3.3% vs -5%
 
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myt-e-s-l-a

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... I got absolutely screwed last Monday when I had to quickly put in a Market order for FCAU Puts before I scrubbed into surgery, only to see them filled at SEVEN times the Bid/Ask price. The trade was supposed to cost around $20k, instead Fidelity forced it through and I was instantly down over $100k after the trade (I have never had that happen before with a Market order)! Day trading when you can't watch it is dangerous. :(

Im shocked that this happened to you since FCAU is a liquid stock. Market order means the MM or Computer can use any price to fill your order. Why are you messing with FCAU when you are invested in TSLA? Are you trying to hedge TSLA with FCAU puts? I consider FCAU a penny stock.

Anyway do a google on "Soes Bandits"
 

RobStark

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EV Sales: China February 2020
 

wipster

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Wrong, the constitution leaves it up to the states as to how their vote is conducted. Any state can do what Washington already did, and make it universal vote-by-mail.
Speaking as a Washingtonian, I love vote-by-mail for elections, but not so much for primaries. Case in point, the ballots had been mailed out at least 3 weeks before the primary, but at the date of the primary itself, many of the Democratic candidates had already withdrawn from the race, making the primary itself a bit invalid. Plus I do not like having to specify what party I am on the outside of the envelope just for the convenience of sorting. I vote for the person, not the party, and am an independent.

Just my opinion. Again, great for elections, but not for national primaries.
 

Juhoru

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That's possible, but imo it's more likely will Tesla be buying out Fiat or someone else by then.

I have been thinking about that. I also think it's likely, but I'm also wondering if they actually want to. A lot of what the legacy automakers have is only useful for making ICE cars and would have to be thrown out and modified heavily. If they only want the factories, isn't it cheaper to just buy the factories rather than the whole company. Actually it might be cheaper to just build new ones.
 

Thekiwi

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I have been thinking about that. I also think it's likely, but I'm also wondering if they actually want to. A lot of what the legacy automakers have is only useful for making ICE cars and would have to be thrown out and modified heavily. If they only want the factories, isn't it cheaper to just buy the factories rather than the whole company. Actually it might be cheaper to just build new ones.

I doubt Tesla would buy any legacy companies - even for one dollar. Those companies all have massive pension liabilities and union agreements attached (at least the US ones)
 

junas

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I doubt Tesla would buy any legacy companies - even for one dollar. Those companies all have massive pension liabilities and union agreements attached (at least the US ones)

Buying legacies makes zero sense. Buying companies involved in supply chain makes some sense. Buying companies specialized in manufacturing equipment&design such as Grohmann Automation and Hibar made already lots of sense. This is the way to remain few steps ahead of competition and improve production processes continuously. I hope they keep the current acquisition strategy.
 

wnorris

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Tesla will be less than $100 by summer. The obvious move is to liquidate now and buy back when things look better.

China is back at work, Europe is seeing a moderation in cases; I think you need to zoom out and take a look at the bigger picture. The US is about to go through two tough weeks (possibly more), but the world is not ending.

I have limit orders in now to take advantage of the current opportunity. I view this as a seldom seen chance to get shares at a low cost relative to future value.

If my orders are triggered I will reach my goal of 2k+ shares. A couple months ago I was lamenting the fact that I did not get more when prices were in the 2 and 3 hundreds.

It is fascinating how different people view situations. I wish all the best.

Lastly, bring back @KarenRei and @Fact Checking!
 
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avoigt

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China is back at work, Europe is seeing a moderation in cases; I think you need to zoom out and take a look at the bigger picture. The US is about to go through two tough weeks, but the world is not ending.

I have limit orders in now to take advantage of the current opportunity. I view this as a seldom seen opportunity to get shares at a low cost relative to future value.

If my orders are triggered I will reach my goal of 2k+ shares.

Agree.

Lets look at the bigger picture to understand the implications for investors into Tesla.

China has now 5th day in the row 0 domestic cases, Europe does see a first sign early of positive development in some countries where the peak new infection rates look like to be past now. Too early to call it a victory but promising and we need to see if the data of the next days confirms it. The US is still in the ramp up phase and there are certainly many more new cases to come.

If Asia gets back on its feed with production running again and Europe may see a recovery coming it will be IMO only a question of time until the same will happen in the US. I am quite confident about the measures in California which should be for us investors extra important given Fremont and with Nevada I am not overly concerned because of its remote location.

If measures in California work we could expect production to start rather early compared to other states in the US.

Deliveries are ongoing in the US and Europe right now. I just got confirmation about first deliveries here in Germany this Monday morning.

It will take a longer time until people realize that if they want to understand the development the need to look a new daily cases. If they just watch total or active cases you look into the past but you don't get a glimpse about the future. As active cases will increase since new cases are added although less than yesterday people may believe it gets worse not realizing this are positive signs for the future it to get better.

Badly informed investors may therefore sell because they don't understand what is happening. Smart investors will buy because they see the early signs. So, it all about being well informed and understand the big picture.

I expect quite some overreaction in the US at first and an even better buy opportunity for the smart ones.
 

wnorris

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It will take a longer time until people realize that if they want to understand the development the need to look a new daily cases. If they just watch total or active cases you look into the past but you don't get a glimpse about the future. As active cases will increase since new cases are added although less than yesterday people may believe it gets worse not realizing this are positive signs for the future it to get better.

Badly informed investors may therefore sell because they don't understand what is happening. Smart investors will buy because they see the early signs. So, it all about being well informed and understand the big picture.

I expect quite some overreaction in the US at first and an even better buy opportunity for the smart ones.

Yes, I would be watching the European countries daily case count for confirmation of a decline. If this thesis is correct then one could try to extrapolate to the rest of the world to determine when the market bottom *should* form.

Knowing the above and seeing that the US is behind the rest of the world may offer a solid buying opportunity.
 

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