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Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

Prunesquallor

His cardinal virtue? An undamaged brain.
Dec 19, 2018
2,845
28,724
Houston/Galveston
I have a good friend that does wealth management for a big bank in my city. You have to have $250,000 to invest with him and he is all about diversification picking blue chip stocks. I think he gets his clients pretty steady solid returns. He knows I’m very bullish on Tesla and he is fine with that because he wouldn’t want to talk me out of a winner. The only thing I take issue with is he thinks if I have found a winner then I’m lucky. He says he has had a lot of clients want to buy a particular stock because of their future potential. Then those companies stock end up going down or don’t do much at all. He says it’s not about being smart it’s about being lucky. This is where I disagree with him. I think you can estimate a companies future profits on its future product lineup. That’s if you are almost certain they will sell those products at your estimated volume. I’ve honestly been looking for a sure beat like Tesla since the iPhone came out. Didn’t see Amazon cause the stupid media tricked me. If I had money when the iPhone came out I would of invested everything. I personally think it’s smart to wait patiently until you are 90% sure you have a winner and investing in that company. I question how smart his clients are and I question how well they analyzed the companies they liked. From talking to people about Tesla I realize that the average person seems rather dumb (even though they are engineers, lawyers, and analysts) and the media definitely influences what they think. Just wondering what you all think about this? Are we lucky to have picked TSLA or are we smart? Could be both. Smart enough to analyze the company correctly and lucky enough to stumble upon it.
You talk about three good examples. I wasn’t in the position to invest when the iPhone debuted or when Amazon really hit its stride with retailing and e-books. But like Tesla, I think they share a common attribute. When a customer first really experiences the product/service (apps on the iPhone, massive convenience of e-retail, driving a Tesla) they produce a transformative reaction - "the future is here". Yes, there are the usual fundamentals that must also be present - solid future execution and great management team.

I am looking for home medical diagnostics and treatment as a potential disruptor. A combination of telemedicine, WebMD and a Theranos-style blood analyzer (that worked) could eliminate many doctors' office, lab and ER visits (think sci-fi "autodocs"). Imagine the convenience of plugging in once a month to keep a running tab on extensive aspects of one's health. Think how THAT capability plays into what is going on right now.
 

Causalien

Prime 8 ball Oracle
Nov 19, 2012
3,738
13,522
Pothead's Republic of Canukstan (PRC)
I have a good friend that does wealth management for a big bank in my city. You have to have $250,000 to invest with him and he is all about diversification picking blue chip stocks. I think he gets his clients pretty steady solid returns. He knows I’m very bullish on Tesla and he is fine with that because he wouldn’t want to talk me out of a winner. The only thing I take issue with is he thinks if I have found a winner then I’m lucky. He says he has had a lot of clients want to buy a particular stock because of their future potential. Then those companies stock end up going down or don’t do much at all. He says it’s not about being smart it’s about being lucky. This is where I disagree with him. I think you can estimate a companies future profits on its future product lineup. That’s if you are almost certain they will sell those products at your estimated volume. I’ve honestly been looking for a sure beat like Tesla since the iPhone came out. Didn’t see Amazon cause the stupid media tricked me. If I had money when the iPhone came out I would of invested everything. I personally think it’s smart to wait patiently until you are 90% sure you have a winner and investing in that company. I question how smart his clients are and I question how well they analyzed the companies they liked. From talking to people about Tesla I realize that the average person seems rather dumb (even though they are engineers, lawyers, and analysts) and the media definitely influences what they think. Just wondering what you all think about this? Are we lucky to have picked TSLA or are we smart? Could be both. Smart enough to analyze the company correctly and lucky enough to stumble upon it.

Have a journal of all your bets and see your winning % after 10 years. But this require some very objective fact checking as most ppl will just bend the end result to feel good.

But ya, if you are good. You do not want ppl to know in real life. So just tell them you are lucky.

We all know that luck is preparation meet opportunity. But most ppl don't want to put in the effort of preparation and "need" your succes to be "luck" cause otherwise they will have to admit their failure. True there will be some utterly unfortunate person, but I always wondered about that.

Yes graduating into a collapse is unlucky, but if you took that time to go through a master's degree, you'd graduate just about when the market turns around. At least that's how I view my own bad luck. So I alone, made the wrong choice.
 

StealthP3D

Well-Known Member
Dec 12, 2018
8,701
64,080
Maple Falls, WA
You probably bought the wrong hedge. Mine did absolutely great.

Compared to AMZN, there were no good inflationary hedges during the last economic crisis. Except to not worry about inflation.

IMO, investors in the stock market don't need to hedge against inflation. Good stocks with growing market share are already a good hedge against inflation. If you're worried about hyperinflation, like that above 8%, well maybe you should throw your hands up and just buy gold, LOL! Just don't expect to become wealthy doing it that way. Scared people never have superior returns.
 

Rammstein

Member
Apr 20, 2017
261
1,989
Calgary
Have a journal of all your bets and see your winning % after 10 years. But this require some very objective fact checking as most ppl will just bend the end result to feel good.

But ya, if you are good. You do not want ppl to know in real life. So just tell them you are lucky.

Why wouldn’t you want people to know?
 

CanadaEV

Member
Dec 12, 2014
305
1,522
Canada
I have a good friend that does wealth management for a big bank in my city. You have to have $250,000 to invest with him and he is all about diversification picking blue chip stocks. I think he gets his clients pretty steady solid returns. He knows I’m very bullish on Tesla and he is fine with that because he wouldn’t want to talk me out of a winner. The only thing I take issue with is he thinks if I have found a winner then I’m lucky. He says he has had a lot of clients want to buy a particular stock because of their future potential. Then those companies stock end up going down or don’t do much at all. He says it’s not about being smart it’s about being lucky. This is where I disagree with him. I think you can estimate a companies future profits on its future product lineup. That’s if you are almost certain they will sell those products at your estimated volume. I’ve honestly been looking for a sure beat like Tesla since the iPhone came out. Didn’t see Amazon cause the stupid media tricked me. If I had money when the iPhone came out I would of invested everything. I personally think it’s smart to wait patiently until you are 90% sure you have a winner and investing in that company. I question how smart his clients are and I question how well they analyzed the companies they liked. From talking to people about Tesla I realize that the average person seems rather dumb (even though they are engineers, lawyers, and analysts) and the media definitely influences what they think. Just wondering what you all think about this? Are we lucky to have picked TSLA or are we smart? Could be both. Smart enough to analyze the company correctly and lucky enough to stumble upon it.

'Smart' plays a role. Unfortunately, you can't predictably aim it at anything with the uncertainty of the market.
'Passion' is the important thing. However, it does have to be tempered with smart.
The reason I like this forum is that pretty much everyone here is passionate about Tesla. That makes them think about it all the time, read every article, and distinguish the grain from the chaff. Because of this way of educating themselves, they have good perception and insights. I like what they have to say.
Your broker friend is probably jaded by seeing too many instances of people 'trying' to make money, but without the needed depth and passion within any area of investment. That is a recipe for lukewarm success, if any at all.

For example, many of us here could have predicted Musk would do something like find 1,250 ventilators, and have them ready within days for hospitals. At least, most of us likely just nodded on learning it, without much surprise. What other investor would know the key figure in their investment that well? That's why I'm invested in Tesla, and pretty much nothing else.
 
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UnknownSoldier

Unknown Member
Apr 17, 2017
1,843
9,575
WA
You talk about three good examples. I wasn’t in the position to invest when the iPhone debuted or when Amazon really hit its stride with retailing and e-books. But like Tesla, I think they share a common attribute. When a customer first really experiences the product/service (apps on the iPhone, massive convenience of e-retail, driving a Tesla) they produce a transformative reaction - "the future is here". Yes, there are the usual fundamentals that must also be present - solid future execution and great management team.

I am looking for home medical diagnostics and treatment as a potential disruptor. A combination of telemedicine, WebMD and a Theranos-style blood analyzer (that worked) could eliminate many doctors' office, lab and ER visits (think sci-fi "autodocs"). Imagine the convenience of plugging in once a month to keep a running tab on extensive aspects of one's health. Think how THAT capability plays into what is going on right now.

Quantified self - Wikipedia

You're talking about the "quantified self" here and it's an idea which has been steadily gaining traction for some time now. All these fitness trackers and Apple Watch are just the beginning of this. Soon we'll be able to track key measures of our health like pulse, BP, blood sugar, BMI, body fat ratio, kidney and liver function, and a whole host of other indicators at home. And yeah, I think it's a good thing to invest in if we can find a good company. Fitbit isn't a good company, Peloton isn't a good company. I'm not sure what is right now in this emerging market.
 

UnknownSoldier

Unknown Member
Apr 17, 2017
1,843
9,575
WA
Why wouldn’t you want people to know?
You don't want all your family and friends demanding stock picking advice from you, or demanding you give them money they desperately need for one reason or another. It's the sad state of this society but smart rich people hide their wealth from everyone. If you've recently gotten rich during that TSLA rally recently, it's a good lesson to learn now and not later.
 

ZeApelido

Banned
Jun 1, 2016
2,745
21,457
The Peninsula, CA
Quantified self - Wikipedia

You're talking about the "quantified self" here and it's an idea which has been steadily gaining traction for some time now. All these fitness trackers and Apple Watch are just the beginning of this. Soon we'll be able to track key measures of our health like pulse, BP, blood sugar, BMI, body fat ratio, kidney and liver function, and a whole host of other indicators at home. And yeah, I think it's a good thing to invest in if we can find a good company. Fitbit isn't a good company, Peloton isn't a good company. I'm not sure what is right now in this emerging market.

I've worked at a bunch of companies working on these sorts of algorithms, though interestingly never thought about it from an investment perspective (probably because most of the claims are B.S.). Last company claimed they could measure blood glucose through your sweat.

Right now I think the best bet would be Apple as they are definitely spending resources on it, and would acquire good tech in the area.
 
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Zero CO2

a long term goal
Apr 24, 2017
780
3,214
NYC -Staten Island
I have a good friend that does wealth management for a big bank in my city. You have to have $250,000 to invest with him and he is all about diversification picking blue chip stocks. I think he gets his clients pretty steady solid returns. He knows I’m very bullish on Tesla and he is fine with that because he wouldn’t want to talk me out of a winner. The only thing I take issue with is he thinks if I have found a winner then I’m lucky. He says he has had a lot of clients want to buy a particular stock because of their future potential. Then those companies stock end up going down or don’t do much at all. He says it’s not about being smart it’s about being lucky. This is where I disagree with him. I think you can estimate a companies future profits on its future product lineup. That’s if you are almost certain they will sell those products at your estimated volume. I’ve honestly been looking for a sure beat like Tesla since the iPhone came out. Didn’t see Amazon cause the stupid media tricked me. If I had money when the iPhone came out I would of invested everything. I personally think it’s smart to wait patiently until you are 90% sure you have a winner and investing in that company. I question how smart his clients are and I question how well they analyzed the companies they liked. From talking to people about Tesla I realize that the average person seems rather dumb (even though they are engineers, lawyers, and analysts) and the media definitely influences what they think. Just wondering what you all think about this? Are we lucky to have picked TSLA or are we smart? Could be both. Smart enough to analyze the company correctly and lucky enough to stumble upon it.
Luck favors the prepared mind ... if you do your HW you can indeed get "lucky" ... no one cares about your money/investments more than you do ... he wants you to think investing is complicated and a big mystery ... it is not ... you have to put in the hours of hard work to make significant returns(as either a trader or investor)

Even with the advice on this thread trust but verify with your own deep thinking and analysis (suggest watching one our famous contributors Dave Lee he passionately explains this concept) Dave Lee on Investing
 
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dl003

Active Member
Nov 22, 2019
1,381
11,830
Texas
If you buy TSLA at $300 and it goes straight to $5000 without skipping a beat, you're lucky.
If you buy TSLA at $300 and it goes to $5000, halving 10 times in the process with you holding on to every share, that's perseverance.
Big difference. My hunch is that TSLA is going to take the second course.
 

gtrplyr1

Member
Aug 30, 2017
257
1,721
Burbank CA
I'd love to see Tesla acquire something like a legacy bus or panel truck manufacturer. Not to integrate into the wider company, but to transform as a template for others using almost entirely existing personnel.

We didn't think the market would kick and scream this badly all the way into 2020. Time to start showing them the next steps in clearer 5th grade language.

IMHO, the priority for Tesla should be getting Cybertruck and Semi into production ASAP. People are lined up with money in hand .... after that ... let's pour even more money into self driving and extending the lead they already have. This whole coronavirus mess has made it even harder for traditional car companies to shift over to EV's. I'd LOVE to be a fly on the wall at the conversations being had right now in the office of those CEOs.

People are going to need jobs when we recover and Tesla needs a workforce to manufacture Cybertruck .... all they have to do is pick a state and I'm sure any state would love to have those jobs and will be willing to bend over backwards to accommodate Tesla's needs. I don't wish to exploit this tragedy for gain but it will be beneficial to all sides and U.S. to get a Tesla manufacturing plant up and running !!!

Cheers to the longs ....
 

PlaidCPA

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Dec 19, 2019
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