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Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

JRP3

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I posted this in the resource thread though it's more battery technology related. Possibility that Tesla could be involved. Replaces metal plate current collectors with metallic coated thin film substrate.
Not directly related to resources but this is a potential new development which would increase cell safety, reduce copper and aluminum use, and increase energy density

The Resource Angle
 

LTC_RRR

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The Cui patent application is
WO2011119614
And can be found here
Espacenet - Origineel document
It did result in Two European patents

Espacenet - Origineel document



Espacenet - Origineel document
From their website:
"Additionally, we are working on new cathode materials that will further increase the energy density and power of our batteries. Our high performance lithium-ion batteries containing 100% silicon nanowire anodes are currently being used in premium and mission critical applications and are expected to expand to EV and consumer applications in the near future."
 
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H Mak

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There's a TV programme here on the BBC called "Countryfile". It's about the countryside, cows, sheep and farmers etc. It's a typical sunday evening gentle programme which you watch because there's nothing else on. I was surprised tonight when they had a 10 minute segment on electric cars in the UK. How it's good for the environment bla bla bla, but also how the Cornish tin mines could be repurposed as lithium mines. Anyway, the entire continuity was the presenter driving round the english countryside in a grey Tesla model 3. Lots of attractive shots of the outside and interior of the car. Essentially Tesla has become a byword for electric car. Free advertising.
 

SarahsDad

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Since this is the weekend, I thought I'd post a fascinating retrospective clip of Cathie Wood of ARK Investing, in one of her first interviews on CNBC, way back in February 2015. She had the same strident confidence about Tesla then that she has now. It's hilarious to watch the other commentators try to belittle and disparage her. The SP was 200 then, so a 10-Bagger since. Guess she gets the last laugh ;) .

Tesla, the Apple of autos: Pro
 
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wtlloyd

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Since this is the weekend, I thought I'd post a fascinating retrospective clip of Cathie Wood of ARK Investing, in one of her first interviews on CNBC, way back in February 2015. She had the same strident confidence about Tesla then that she has now. It's hilarious to watch the other commentators try to belittle and disparage her. The SP was 200 then, so a 10-Bagger since. Guess she gets the last laugh ;) .

Tesla, the Apple of autos: Pro

That was fantastic, thanks.
 

jw934

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n one of her first interviews on CNBC, way back in February 2015
One point discussed on that 2015 interview was whether Elon's estimate that Tesla will make 500,000 cars in 2020 was to be believed.

I looked up what Elon said and found this: >> "
Musk said last month [i.e. Jan 2015] that Tesla may not show an unadjusted profit until 2020, when it is selling an estimated 500,000 cars per year." , at the bottom of this Feb 11, 2015 news article, implying even back in 2015, he calculated Tesla would be added to S&P500 in 2020.
Tesla Motors reports fourth quarter losses, Elon Musk staying positive
 

Lycanthrope

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There's a TV programme here on the BBC called "Countryfile". It's about the countryside, cows, sheep and farmers etc. It's a typical sunday evening gentle programme which you watch because there's nothing else on. I was surprised tonight when they had a 10 minute segment on electric cars in the UK. How it's good for the environment bla bla bla, but also how the Cornish tin mines could be repurposed as lithium mines. Anyway, the entire continuity was the presenter driving round the english countryside in a grey Tesla model 3. Lots of attractive shots of the outside and interior of the car. Essentially Tesla has become a byword for electric car. Free advertising.

For those that don't know Countryfile, here's a clip:

 

MaChiMiB

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One point discussed on that 2015 interview was whether Elon's estimate that Tesla will make 500,000 cars in 2020 was to be believed.

I looked up what Elon said and found this: >> "
Musk said last month [i.e. Jan 2015] that Tesla may not show an unadjusted profit until 2020, when it is selling an estimated 500,000 cars per year." , at the bottom of this Feb 11, 2015 news article, implying even back in 2015, he calculated Tesla would be added to S&P500 in 2020.
Tesla Motors reports fourth quarter losses, Elon Musk staying positive
Elon -> what if the L is a pipe, marking the split -> e|on -> one. Another anagram, which got prominently used in the past, is neo. This guy really figured out the matrix.
 
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Singuy

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Was going back and forth with value investors on a different medium and I have came to this prediction.

I don't think value stocks with low P/E that pays a dividend will be roaring back to their original price point even after Covid 19. I do believe that these stocks will be paying a higher dividend (meaning stock price will be lower vs before) even if their profits return to pre-Covid levels.

My reasoning is that due to Covid 19, global pandemic is now a NEW RISK introduced to the market. This risk attacks specific sectors extremely hard, like travel, entertainment, energy, and dining. Prior to Covid, those stocks were considered bread and butter value stocks with low P/E and low risk. Tech however were always considered to be riskier but with more upside than value stocks.

This pandemic however flipped the script. We can see that the only thing pandemic has done is for tech companies to make even MORE money than before. This means going forward, the newly introduced risk of potential future global pandemics has reduced risk for tech and INCREASED risk for value companies. A lot of people think the transition to tech is temporary but in my opinion the transition is just reassessing risk in equities. The thing about this is that because techs usually have higher multiplier for reward, any small reduction in risk amplifies asset prices to keep up with the potential reward, hence we see bubble like transitions. The flip side is also true, because value stocks's life line is low risk, any increased amount of risk amplifies down in its value proposition.

What do you guys think?
 

Lycanthrope

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Since this is the weekend, I thought I'd post a fascinating retrospective clip of Cathie Wood of ARK Investing, in one of her first interviews on CNBC, way back in February 2015. She had the same strident confidence about Tesla then that she has now. It's hilarious to watch the other commentators try to belittle and disparage her. The SP was 200 then, so a 10-Bagger since. Guess she gets the last laugh ;) .

Tesla, the Apple of autos: Pro

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose... Cathie's great and she was bossing it back then too. well worth a watch.

Some great links on that page too, for example: Tesla is a stock that's heading into 'the single digits,' says short-seller
 

dhanson865

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So very thankful for the split. Sick and tired of people looking at the stock price as if it's worth more than Google. This market cap/stock price thing is difficult for people to grasp.

TSLA is worth ~36% of GOOGL. Is it really that far out of whack to think about it being more valuable in the next few years?

TSLA triples in price while GOOGL holds flat and you have that.

TSLA quadruples in price while GOOGLE rises by less than 33% and you have that.

Sure it'll take some time to happen but do you doubt it will?

How about AAPL? (double the TSLA numbers from above)

Only about 10 companies ahead of TSLA on the market cap list now.

* AAPL
* AMZN
* MSFT
* GOOG / GOOGL
* FB
* BABA
* BRK.B / BRK.A
* V
* TSM
* JNJ

TSLA should jump 3 or so spots just in the coming week or two.

And still those people will somehow think TSLA is a better value when it's several multiples more expensive than it is now. They'll be drawn in by all the press coverage as TSLA eventually is considered legit and the press stops calling it overpriced. Yes that will take a while too, but the same person that wouldn't buy it at 300 will somehow think it cheap in a few years at several times that price.
 

Singuy

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TSLA is worth ~36% of GOOGL. Is it really that far out of whack to think about it being more valuable in the next few years?

TSLA triples in price while GOOGL holds flat and you have that.

TSLA quadruples in price while GOOGLE rises by less than 33% and you have that.

Sure it'll take some time to happen but do you doubt it will?

How about AAPL? (double the TSLA numbers from above)

Only about 10 companies ahead of TSLA on the market cap list now.

* AAPL
* AMZN
* MSFT
* GOOG / GOOGL
* FB
* BABA
* BRK.B / BRK.A
* V
* TSM
* JNJ

TSLA should jump 3 or so spots just in the coming week or two.

And still those people will somehow think TSLA is a better value when it's several multiples more expensive than it is now. They'll be drawn in by all the press coverage as TSLA eventually is considered legit and the press stops calling it overpriced. Yes that will take a while too, but the same person that wouldn't buy it at 300 will somehow think it cheap in a few years at several times that price.

I'm just saying the general public in which most people knows nothing about stock sees Tesla being 2000/share, they instantly draw comparison to other stocks over 1-2k, namely amazon and google. Also most people don't even realize Amazon is a stock that's 3k. Most people think stocks are generally 300 dollars or less. Sub 100 dollars being more of a normal stock price. They don't understand valuations, they just understand stock prices. MSM doesn't help either because they want flashy headlines like 2000 dollars!
 

dhanson865

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I'm just saying the general public in which most people knows nothing about stock sees Tesla being 2000/share, they instantly draw comparison to other stocks over 1-2k, namely amazon and google. Also most people don't even realize Amazon is a stock that's 3k. Most people think stocks are generally 300 dollars or less. Sub 100 dollars being more of a normal stock price. They don't understand valuations, they just understand stock prices. MSM doesn't help either because they want flashy headlines like 2000 dollars!

I understand, I just took it as a moment to reflect on the ratios and do a little mental math to see where we'd have to go. I needed a scratch pad and had to look up the top marketcap list so it didn't take much more effort to turn it into a brain dump post. Half in reply to you, half more of a "hmm what if".
 
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Boomer19

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Since this is the weekend, I thought I'd post a fascinating retrospective clip of Cathie Wood of ARK Investing, in one of her first interviews on CNBC, way back in February 2015. She had the same strident confidence about Tesla then that she has now. It's hilarious to watch the other commentators try to belittle and disparage her. The SP was 200 then, so a 10-Bagger since. Guess she gets the last laugh ;) .

Tesla, the Apple of autos: Pro

amazing

wapner (a chanos p!ssboy) arrogantly laughed at her more than once. he’s a smug *#%^”

josh brown at least understood her frame of reference and gave her credit for that.
and stephanie link (usually the consummate professional) was at least more respectful with her argument, but clearly took for granted, at the time, that big auto would just wake up one day and decide to crush tesla.

cathie wood still proving to be right, except for her 3 year head start estimate. probably longer now due to inaction by big auto.

stephanie link and countless others continue to be wrong on the competition angle...5.5 years later
 

pharma5

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Nov 22, 2011
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Quick 2 cents - that PCT app connects to a much larger family which has issued patents in all IP5 markets. Don't know how practical/deployed the tech is, or how tied to Tesla, but there is a decent amount of patenting going on.

In U.S., Amprius has 25 issued patents, the most recent of which is US Pat No 10,707,484 (issued July 7th):
United States Patent: 10707484

Am grateful to folks on this thread for posting and discussing great investor content.:cool:

The Cui patent application is
WO2011119614
And can be found here
Espacenet - Origineel document
It did result in Two European patents

Espacenet - Origineel document



Espacenet - Origineel document
 

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