JRP3
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I wonder if they might introduce the Maxwell tech in 18650 form for the S and X first. Nice range boost for the high end models, fewer vehicles if issues arise in early production.
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EVNow
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Unless Tesla has been working with Maxwell for a long time and has working cells already, it will take quite a bit of time to bring in an entirely new battery technology. Couple of year, atleast ?
JRP3
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A different method of binding existing chemistry is not something which would need years of study, beyond what had likely already been done.
Especially in light of professor Dahn's predictive performance methodology.
Especially in light of professor Dahn's predictive performance methodology.
The overall chemistry can be the same, and Tesla has been working with Jeff Dahn on rapid cell longevity testing. So it could happen quickly (especially if Tesla was working with Maxwell before this recent announcement). Equipment might be the timing constraint, but they have Grohmann for that...
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I'd guess Tesla has binned the previous version of the SR 3 for one that goes at least 240 miles. I think there was a rumor from an employee that this was the new goal. Makes sense when you look at the Bolt and Korean offerings. All are around 240 miles at $35k. Tesla doesn't like to be viewed as inferior in any way.
A very positive article on GF3/China posted today, in of all places, Seeking Alpha:
Tesla: The Importance Of A Chinese Gigafactory - Tesla, Inc. (NASDAQ:TSLA) | Seeking Alpha
Tesla: The Importance Of A Chinese Gigafactory - Tesla, Inc. (NASDAQ:TSLA) | Seeking Alpha
Let's consider the possibility of the short range Model 3 being kept on hold, perhaps permanently. Meanwhile more expensive versions can still be sold to match the current production capabilities. Removing the timetable for the short range version may inspire some reservation holders to opt for what is currently available. Eventually production costs could lower to the point that even a stripped down long range version can be sold for $35,000.
We’re supposed to soon be learning more about production plans for the Model Y and Semi-Truck. But I wouldn’t be surprised if consumer demand and competitors' plans force an earlier introduction of a Tesla Pickup Truck. From the perspective of a shareholder, emphasis on higher margin vehicles makes sense for now.
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Reciprocity
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To me, the main reasons why GF4 will be in Germany. 1) Access to very high quality talent pool of engineers. 2) Grohmann. Tesla is really a sum of its parts and one of its biggest parts lately has been Grohmann's ability to help improve battery manufacturing. Along with Perbix. lets not forget them, but they are US based.
There are lots of other benefits but I think those 2 are what will win the day for GF4. I would expect to hear very soon as it will take much longer to get through all the bureaucracy.
Because Tesla is so focused on automation and the machine that builds the machine, Engineers are more important than cheap labor or selling more cars in a particular country because you have a factory there. A lot of things will be invented in GF4 like they are in GF1. Its also very centralized and the biggest economy in Europe by far.
Artful Dodger
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Of course they did, and the 18650 at the same time. Ask yourself why they would change the recipe for one cake and not the other? The chemistry is Telsa's IP. Panasonic is just their manufacturor.
The level of magical thinking surrounding the 2170 cell boggles the mind. It's just a can.
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Surprised no one's mentioned Hondas' departure from the UK. NOT Brexit related ( apparently) the BBC are devastated 
oh and the loyal work force are unhappy it has to be said. 2 down 1 to go? Of course they JAPS don't need the uk "aircraft carrier" any more now they have carte Blanche from the Eu. To be fair they are just looking after their own-- carn't blame ' em.
oh and the loyal work force are unhappy it has to be said. 2 down 1 to go? Of course they JAPS don't need the uk "aircraft carrier" any more now they have carte Blanche from the Eu. To be fair they are just looking after their own-- carn't blame ' em.Steve Jobs @tesla_truth
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I want my vegan burger to taste as a vegetable... not as meat.
Europe has had Spotify for years while we here in the states are stuck with Slacker (gag). I have never heard any reasoning for why this is the case. My assumption is some sort of agreement signed with Slacker early on. But either way, here in the states we have been begging for Spotify access to no avail.
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In Maxwell's presentation on their technology and it's breakthrough, the mention that they had to been working with a un-named partner over the past year on the tech. If that partner was Tesla, maybe Tesla was validating the technology and manufacturing claims/goals and now that hey did validate the tech, they decided to buy Maxwell outright. In that scenario, I could see them being to implement tech by the end of 2019/early 2020.
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Same. It's weird when meat-eaters learn that I'm vegetarian and cook the most meat-like thing they can find, thinking I'll love it. And then get confused if I don't eat much or any of it (I try to be polite and not offend them).
To meat eaters serving food to someone who is a vegetarian for moral reasons: picture a world where almost everyone but you ate human babies. Loved them. Ate them all the time. You politely turn down the baby meat every time. Occasionally people crack jokes at your expense, but most people just accept your "unusual" baby-free diet. But trying to be nice because you're "missing out" on baby meat, they try to fix you non-baby-based substitutes that look and taste as much like the baby meat they're eating as possible.
What would you think about that? How would you react? There's no moral issue - it's not made of babies. But it'd still pretty bloody disgusting just looking at such a thing or making yourself put it in your mouth.
Just an FYI.
Note that not all vegetarians are vegetarian for moral reasons, and different people may differ on different things.
Carl Raymond
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Arn’t we talking about the Panasonic domain here? How long it takes will depend on how different mechanically it is for Panasonic to incorporate the dry process, starting with one test line. Grohmann/Tesla get hands-on post cell.
Which raises the question of who make the savings? Tesla or Panasonic? Some heavy boardroom discussions involved is my guess, given Tesla, not Panasonic, will own the Maxwell IP.
I recall huge drying ovens from the tour videos which I thought held cells and belonged to Tesla. Are there two drying phases eliminated, one pre and one post cell?
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