Lol they chose the period of July to Sept 2018!? The specifically targeted that time period because they knew that's when the initial ramp was happening and would likely have the most issues. I'm sure they were paid behind the scenes to conduct the survey during that time period. They knew if they did it from Oct to Dec 2018, the results would have been much different.
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Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable
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I didn't see people saying this when CR recommended the Model 3. How funny things change when someone doesn't like the results,
EVNow
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I didn't write at that time CR is a very scientific survey
Even the Old Gray Lady is lifting her skirts again and over a non-issue:
Tesla’s Top Lawyer Is Leaving. His Tenure at the Company: Two Months.
Must be time for a major FUDStorm. Gee, I wonder why?
Buckminster
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Looking for a silver lining here...
The CR news is pretty good as far as FUD goes. It was real. It doesn't look that biased - BMW and VW also affected. It directly hits core Tesla investment thesis. This is not some guy leaving that never touched a car or something made fabricated regarding demand. Don't get me wrong - I'm not worried about it.
The good news - only 2% down. This could have been 5 or 8%, 6 months ago. Shorts truly are losing their special powers.
The CR news is pretty good as far as FUD goes. It was real. It doesn't look that biased - BMW and VW also affected. It directly hits core Tesla investment thesis. This is not some guy leaving that never touched a car or something made fabricated regarding demand. Don't get me wrong - I'm not worried about it.
The good news - only 2% down. This could have been 5 or 8%, 6 months ago. Shorts truly are losing their special powers.
Shall we wait for you at these levels until 2023, so you can buy even more?
I subscribe to Consumer Reports and have for years, on line. I often read their reviews before going shopping. I do the annual surveys they request on-line. My responses has always been highly favorable for my 2016 MS (as well as my wife's Subaru). They do not use third partys for their surveys. Since they do not accept advertising, their opinions are mostly unbiased. I always take their recommendations with a grain of salt because the items they consider most important are not necessarily the same as mine. I remember when they first reviewed the MS and gave it a score of 103 out of a possible 100. They have since had to change their rating process.
I also remember when they first tested the M3 and could not recommend it because of a breaking issue. Tesla was not aware of the issue but was able to reproduce it and was able to upgrade the software over a weekend. CR then changed their recommendation.
I think is is probably accurate that many of the issues identified have been corrected. I guess it is also possible that some people are submitted FUD information to CR in their surveys, but I think you have to be a subscriber to get the questionnaire. You do then identify things that you own and that you are willing to answer questions about. The next year they remember what items you reviewed and ask if you are willing to update information on those product.
myt-e-s-l-a
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next fibonacci retracement level for tsla on down side is 285$
tsla newer lows 4th time now. Market is selling every time tsla tries to rally
tsla newer lows 4th time now. Market is selling every time tsla tries to rally
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SpudLime
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Indeed. I factored CR ratings when making decisions on a number of products related to having a child a few years back. I don't take their word as gospel, but a useful data point. (It's hard to trust any reviews online these days, in my opinion.)
And let's not turn a blind eye to the fact that there were issues with Model 3s. The car wasn't, and isn't, perfect. I think folks would be silly to turn one down if they're in the market, though.
All that to say, I'm not in a rush to tear down CR over this. I do, however, think they're wrong to not recommend the car.
Does anyone buy a Tesla based on a CR recommendation? I have checked their reviews in the past but they aren't experts especially regarding EVs. I refused to renew my subscription last month because they have a strong preference for non-cutting edge tech. So yes a Kia or a Ford won't present problems like a Tesla will, but my Tesla will be on the road for decades, not junked in a few years like the Kia or Ford.
Better put the grumpy photo back...
CR is generally a solid resource. They are better on older cars that have some miles on them when speaking of reliability. New models can have a few early failures that are particularly annoying to new buyers so they can flash on the surveys. The question is how the producer responds to the problem. Tesla has an opportunity here to contact these people (many at least) with a human being call and followup on their current satisfaction level. Then send them a gift in consideration of their inconvenience. Tesla can improve in this area IMO. It would be great to have some engineers make some calls. Elon should make some calls! There is an opportunity to improve relations with CR and an opportunity to generate some good press.
At the same time, now is a good time to dump out any other news that is not uplifting. Just let it rain a little while it is already cloudy then announce some good stuff.
CR is a big deal IMO. Keeping them amazed and happy sells a lot of cars IMO - they should love Dog Mode for instance. The news here is that a car that is number one in satisfaction has some quality issues at the same time. TSLA just needs to craft a response that makes improvements in quality the BIG story. Time for an interview or ride-along with a Tesla Ranger perhaps because there are surely going to be some stories on disgruntled owners as I see it.
At the same time, now is a good time to dump out any other news that is not uplifting. Just let it rain a little while it is already cloudy then announce some good stuff.
CR is a big deal IMO. Keeping them amazed and happy sells a lot of cars IMO - they should love Dog Mode for instance. The news here is that a car that is number one in satisfaction has some quality issues at the same time. TSLA just needs to craft a response that makes improvements in quality the BIG story. Time for an interview or ride-along with a Tesla Ranger perhaps because there are surely going to be some stories on disgruntled owners as I see it.
DurandalAI
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I had a CR subscription, I found it completely worthless. Whenever I was in the market for something, they never had data on it, but maybe that's tied to me liking things like induction ranges and ventless dryers as opposed to more mainstream styled appliances like they review. I didn't even remotely consider CR when I placed the order for my Model 3 yesterday, only months and months of research online.
Regardless of the validity of CR's findings, I don't think it's a bad thing for Tesla to get a kick in the pants over QC. I think every model to date has been a bit of a horror-show in the early VIN's and they need to rectify this in the future.
CR first rating for the MS certainly helped me decide to buy a car with a new and "unproven" technology.
Fact Checking
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That the Model 3 is the most loved car by CR subscribers is a simple fact.
That CR 'unrecommends' the Model 3, based on problems whose "vast majority" Tesla says are already fixed, and which car owners are the most satisfied with despite teething problems of a brand new product, is breathtakingly bad logic by CR that should be called out...
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