Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

[azaz]

not everyone has millions of followers. and it is a FACT that this is making tens of thousands of hardened, pissed off enemies out of people who should be allies. Elon is acting like a typical Tech Bro, responding with zero nuance or concern to legitimate concerns from artists. it's super frustrating. defend his point all you want (and it's a STUPID STUPID hill to die on). But the real tangible upshot here is this is going to generate a ton of negative sentiment from people right in the Tesla customer wheelhouse, and they will remember it for a long time. creative types justifiable have a HUGE chip on their shoulder when tech bros dismiss their value. it's a big thing. and Elon's handling it in the worst possible way.

I don't care how you feel about giving artists credit for images. but it's a fact this will hurt Tesla sales in the long run and damage its brand among a base that should be its biggest supporters.

it's stupid, but nah its not gonna make any meaningful impact on sales

 

[Hock1]

I just found out that who else was in on the "private" Morgan Stanley call last month, Mark Van Der Pluym, who is married to a cousin of mine this is what he said on the call "Morgan Stanley's industrials specialist, Mark van der Pluym, was also on the call, and he said that over the past week, three-fourths of the Tesla stock he's sold has been to short-sellers." Small world, can't believe someone I know is working with that assclown Adam Jonas. I knew he worked for Morgan Stanley, but didn't know his title.

Just to be clear: "three-fourths of the Tesla stock he's sold has been to short-sellers." I interpret this to mean that short-sellers are buying stock he has sold, in order to cover. I.e., short sellers don't buy stock in order to short, they borrow stock to short (sell). Please elucidate. Thanks.

 

[sparcs]

(by the way, attribution and credit ARE important. Elon’s staking out a fundamentally crappy position, and handling it with zero nuance. OF COURSE creative types are going to be pissed.)

and now elon deleted and the artists get no progress since Elon wasn't the enemy. Maybe they have issues with social media and digital platforms, but who wins now?

 

[Singuy]

I just found out that who else was in on the "private" Morgan Stanley call last month, Mark Van Der Pluym, who is married to a cousin of mine this is what he said on the call "Morgan Stanley's industrials specialist, Mark van der Pluym, was also on the call, and he said that over the past week, three-fourths of the Tesla stock he's sold has been to short-sellers." Small world, can't believe someone I know is working with that assclown Adam Jonas. I knew he worked for Morgan Stanley, but didn't know his title.

Hey you have an insider. Make friends, not enemies. When he's shitting on Tesla, you also *sugar* on Tesla. Whatever it takes to gain some insider information

 

[JRP3]

Elon’s new twitter avatar.

Who made that?!!

 

[Singuy]

Who made that?!!

Not even God himself. Darkness happened before God even did anything so....

 

[AZRI11]

Just to be clear: "three-fourths of the Tesla stock he's sold has been to short-sellers." I interpret this to mean that short-sellers are buying stock he has sold, in order to cover. I.e., short sellers don't buy stock in order to short, they b

Hey you have an insider. Make friends, not enemies. When he's shitting on Tesla, you also *sugar* on Tesla. Whatever it takes to gain some insider information

Only met him once. My mother grew up with her cousin (his mother-in-law) in the azores, and is still in close contact, even though see lives in Edmonton Canada and my mom lives in New England. He was actually at my house once, about 5 years ago. He has a good sense of humor, probably laugh it off, and say it's "wall street". The quote that I used was from a business insider hit piece written by Ms. Lopez

 

[AndyH]

Elon’s new twitter avatar.
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The nothing of Tesla.

 

[Do It]

Under fire from powerless trolls? Now he deleted the Tweets. Oh well, life goes on.

I agree with both sides here, by the way. I don't think Elon should be held to different standards from "everyone else on the internet". Memes are shared all over the place without attribution. But I also agree that Elon shouldn't have fanned the flames.

The best way to deal with those trying to shake down Elon/tesla is to simply ignore them. If the artist has objection on the art being posted, simply remove it and put him/her on the list to never deal with again. The list should include guys like Fred, the farting unicore guy, and various characters that sued or threatened to sue Tesla.

 

[MartinAustin]

The list should include guys like Fred

Exactly why I don't bring links to Electrek here.

Typically there is always something suspect about their articles... I ended up not being able to believe anything they publish unless they name their sources

 

[geometro]

What the heck... I thought this was the investment section?!?!?

 

[Johnny Ma]

It’s not a nothingburger. It’s yet another instance of Elon making an unforced error and turning tens of thousands of potential Tesla fans (liberal-leaning artists of all stripes) into absolute decisive Elon Musk Haters. It’s a stupid stupid stupid stupid move that benefits Tesla in no way whatsoever and only creates more enemies out of potential allies.

My favorite comic book writer, Ryan North, and one of my favorite illustrators, Erica Henderson, have both already posted “F*** Elon Musk” in response to his ignorant handling of this. It’s extremely frustrating for him to draw this moronic line in the sand for no good reason.

(by the way, attribution and credit ARE important. Elon’s staking out a fundamentally crappy position, and handling it with zero nuance. OF COURSE creative types are going to be pissed.)

Started off on Erica Henderson's Twitter page and clicked around in her replies/retweets that are related to this artwork attribution nonsense. She's a complete loon and so is everyone else that's screaming about this. If these idiots weren't angry about Elon, they'd be angry about something else.

The artist whose work Elon posted doesn't seem to be half as upset as all of these nutjobs on Twitter. She's taking advantage of the attention (as she should) and will likely profit from it (good for her!). I bet there are a lot of people out there who would be VERY happy to have someone with 27 million followers post their artwork, credit given or not.

This is noise and will not impact Tesla in any significant way.

 

[Mike Smith]

https://electrek.co/2019/06/16/tesla-gigafactory-3-installing-production-equipment/

 

[JRP3]

What the heck... I thought this was the investment section?!?!?

Weekend

 

[mongo]

Tesla Gigafactory 3 builds up at incredible speed, already installing production equipment - Electrek

Typo in first sentence

Tesla is building up Gigafactory 3, its electric vehicle plant in Shanghai, at ant incredible speed.

Also has a video without attribution.

Oh Twitter, where is your anger now?

 

[neroden]

Dilbert is not a comic book, but a business documentary. I often use a Dilbert management technique when dealing with ‘difficult’ people in meetings. You know, the ones that critique everything but do nothing? Instead of wasting effort fighting their critique, I just answer ‘That’s a great idea Mister X, please work that out for the next meeting’. They’re a lot more silent the next meeting.

Out of curiosity, what do you do if they come back at the next meeting with a fleshed out plan and supporting evidence and again tell you to do their plan instead of the one you were going to do?

 

[neroden]

That's not what history tells us. IIRC, there were 5 major extinction level events (over 90% of the species going extinct) in the history of our planet, such as the dinosaur wipe-out some 60+ millions of years ago. In every one of those cases, all major dominant species, the ones at and near the top of the food-chain went extinct and new species evolved from the more primitive "survivors".

I hate to break it to you, but humanity is at the very top of the food chain. If we cause another major extinction event -- which looks like to be well underway BTW, you can rest assured we will be among the extinct not among the survivors.

Yep. Humanity is very dependent on very specific climate conditions and a pretty specific food web. We're fragile.

The planet will be OK; the biosphere will survive; but if we don't take massive action, humanity is toast.

We can take that action and we can save humanity. But there is NO option for most of humanity to die and a small elite to survive; that's not possible. We're in this together. If we fix the climate, most of us survive; if we don't, none of us survive.

 

[NicoV]

Out of curiosity, what do you do if they come back at the next meeting with a fleshed out plan and supporting evidence and again tell you to do their plan instead of the one you were going to do?

They never do. I never try this trick with people that have a reputation of being hard workers. It works well with people that have a reputation of liking to argument instead of doing actual work.

 

[neroden]

(by the way, attribution and credit ARE important. Elon’s staking out a fundamentally crappy position, and handling it with zero nuance. OF COURSE creative types are going to be pissed.)

Credit and attribution matter, a lot.

 

[neroden]

Started off on Erica Henderson's Twitter page and clicked around in her replies/retweets that are related to this artwork attribution nonsense. She's a complete loon and so is everyone else that's screaming about this. If these idiots weren't angry about Elon, they'd be angry about something else.

You are dead wrong.

While everyone does copy work and post it, and that's fine, *attribution matters*. It costs nothing to credit the person who did the work, and it matters a great deal to them. Musk is just being a jerk.

The artist whose work Elon posted doesn't seem to be half as upset as all of these nutjobs on Twitter. She's taking advantage of the attention (as she should) and will likely profit from it (good for her!). I bet there are a lot of people out there who would be VERY happy to have someone with 27 million followers post their artwork, credit given or not.

Nope. There are none at all.

There are a lot of people who would be happen to have someone post their artwork WITH credit. Pretty much nobody likes to see their stuff ripped off without so much as a "Image by XXX". The next step after that is someone else claiming credit for your work, and even fewer people want that.