But the MPH on the charging screen doesn't tell you that because it starts at a really high average (because the kWh are high) and then goes down as the rate decreases.
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Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable
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Pezpunk
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I hate this so, so much. Last time I checked, electricity is not measured in miles per hour. Do not obfuscate what the car is actually doing by showing me a figure that is the result of a bunch of black-box calculations. Tell me the kWh rate.
dhrivnak
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Sorry for me MPH is the most important metric. As that shows overall efficiency and travel speed. That said yes kWh is important as that is a big part of the equation.
MartinAustin
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Wow, up 4.9% and looking strong.
More and more Tesla news at the moment is about heightened levels of manufacturing & deliveries. Perhaps this is translating to an increase in demand for shares... or perhaps some shorts are trying to close their positions before the storm - when Q2 deliveries are announced.
While we're on that subject... any speculation as to the date of the news release? TSLA has typically done horribly during July 4th week. I am guessing after-market Wednesday July 3rd... so the news can be digested prior to Friday trading.
More and more Tesla news at the moment is about heightened levels of manufacturing & deliveries. Perhaps this is translating to an increase in demand for shares... or perhaps some shorts are trying to close their positions before the storm - when Q2 deliveries are announced.
While we're on that subject... any speculation as to the date of the news release? TSLA has typically done horribly during July 4th week. I am guessing after-market Wednesday July 3rd... so the news can be digested prior to Friday trading.
We must be talking past each other because mph while driving is important, but mph while charging changes as the rate of charge changes. It starts very high, and then decreases. Of course, this should be on it's own thread, not in investments
Take a deep breath, and squeeeeeeeze!
Sustainable energy is very broad. Even sustainable transportation like you mentioned includes airplanes, even sustainable rockets and submarines if I'm being facetious. Anyways lots of possible paths. Don't dismiss non-transport sustainable energy as a driver of human betterment. We all win with sustainable energy companies growing.
I wouldn’t say meaningless. I took a road trip to California last week and had to choose between the S and 3. Even though the S and 3 can both charge up to 150kw on v2 Superchargers, the 3 gains more miles range per minute charge. So I took the 3. I was missing that air suspension on some rough roads though...
I was northbound. There were two ICE'd, but one quickly volunteered to shift into an open non-EV spot so that I could use the Tesla spot.
FWIW - according to TeslaFi, I was able to add 42kWh (146 rated miles) in 25 minutes to increase the battery from 21% to 72%.
I'm typically care most about being able to add plenty of range in a realistic amount of time.
Seems this should be especially important to Republicans, which judging by this forum we have a minority here / underrepresented.
They may need a reminder of this message from time to time in case they forget it for the sake of convenience / sticking to the old "traditional" gas ways.
Disagree. KWh only matters if you’re using your car as a home battery or for AC while camping or something. For driving, what you’re actually getting is miles of range. Looking at kWh is like looking at ounces of Alcoholic beverage, without paying attention to whether it’s beer, wine, vodka or 151.
MartinAustin
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CyberDutchie
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Tesla’s production, delivery numbers change multiple times between filings
Lol, amazing how they keep coming up with this stuff. Now it is the reporting that is flawed.
Lol, amazing how they keep coming up with this stuff. Now it is the reporting that is flawed.
It seemed like TSLA was in a negative bubble - instead of irrationally growing and popping, it was being compressed irrationally and (hopefully) exploding
j6Lpi429@3j
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this SP action is nuts. maybe it is actually a mini short squeeze. I can see a lot of people thinking that the recent descent down to sub $200 was never ending, some people might have been tempted to short the stock then, and are regretting it and getting called out now?
Benzinga - 30 minutes ago:
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Tesla Motors, Inc. (NASDAQ:TSLA) - Baird Analyst Ben Kallo Believes Upside In Tesla Shares On Monday Related To 'The Start Of Short Covering Over The Next Few Weeks'
Tesla Motors, Inc. (NASDAQ:TSLA) - UPDATE: Baird's Kallo Cites Aspects For Tesla Short Covering: 1. Several Upcoming Catalysts, 2. 40M Shares Short, 3. Demand Issue Will Be Proven False
But vehicle efficiency is independent of "charge time" and variable based on vehicle.
Think about the comparison people are used to (and detractors often poke at BEV's for): filling up your gas tank.
It takes the same amount to time to pump 20 gallons in to a 15 MPG truck as it does in to 50MPG hybrid. How efficient the vehicle is with that fuel is "after the fact", and determines how far you can go.
In the same way, the direct comparison is how long it takes to transfer XX kWH of energy in to a 3, S, or a Leaf. How efficient the vehicle is with that energy is after the fact and determines how far you can go.
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True, but you can only drive one car at a time, so the time it takes to charge depends on the car you are currently driving. What the other car gets isn't material once you've started to drive.
Thank you Curt for trying to divert the thread from MPH vs KWH back to the 5%+ rise in the SP.
The problem with is that using this metric is not a direct comparison of charging rates/capability.
Example: The Model 3 is a smaller vehicle, and despite the fact they both have the same more efficient motors now, the S will likely always use more power per mile for locomotion. As such even if the S is upgraded to the same 250KW charge capability as the 3, it will always be inferior if rated on a miles added per minute basis.
If a small econo-BEV is efficient enough, it's possible that it's miles range addition at 150KW could be superior to an S at 200 or 250KW.
Simply put, miles-per-minute is a measure largely influenced by vehicle efficiency, not just charge rates.
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