TSLA is such a boring stock. less than $30 per day.Less than $30 in swing today so far.
Almost like.... someone's keeping it within a certain range... but the SEC would never allow that to happen...
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Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable
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SW2Fiddler
We Are Cognitive Dissidents
Is it just me, or is there a different definition of Feature Complete (implying "Released") running around than the more conservative one I get from these:
The aesthetics of Cybertruck are badder ass:
The Tesla Cybertruck is gaining respect among real pickup truck owners
Not that I disagree with your point, but in my opinion a design is perfect not when there is nothing more to add, but rather when there is nothing more to remove.
willow_hiller
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Yep, we've got two roughly similar definitions from Elon himself.
From the Q3 earnings call:
"Yeah, feature-complete, I mean, it’s — the car is able to drive from one’s house to work, most likely without interventions. So it will still be supervised, but it will be able to drive — it will fill in the gap from low-speed autonomy — low-speed autonomy with Summon. You’ve got high-speed autonomy on the highway, and intermediate speed autonomy, which really just means traffic lights and stop signs.
So feature-complete means it’s most likely able to do that without intervention, without human intervention, but it would still be supervised. And I’ve gone through this timeline before several times, but it is often misconstrued that there’s three major levels to autonomy. There’s the car being able to be autonomous but requiring supervision and intervention at times. That’s feature complete. Then there’s — and it doesn’t mean like every scenario, everywhere on earth, including ever corner case, it just means most of the time,"
And from the Q4 earnings call:
"Feature complete just means it has some chance of going from your home to work, lets say, with no interventions. It doesn't mean the features are working well, it means above zero chance."
Let's also not forget the maybe hundreds of millions of Euros Tesla will get from Ford this quarter
Wait, what?
AFAIK, for EU's CO2-pollution punishment scheme, Tesla has a pooling agreement with Fiat Chrysler, or no?
Is Tesla pooling with others too?
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JRP3
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Anyone may feel free to do so. JRP3 Industries believes in viral marketing just like TeslaDamn, if you Tweet that it will go viral to the point of breaking Twitter.
This is unfortunately the typical process for most media outlets whenever some other company announces some far-flung EV product: take the pie-in-the-sky concept claims for vehicles that may or may not be marketed in some unknown quantities literally years from now, and compare them against a misunderstanding of what Tesla is delivering in volume today.
In this case, take a 400-mile all-goes-well guesstimated range from GM for vehicles to be released multiple years in the future, and claim that this is something Tesla should be worried about today (Tesla, the company delivering 390 miles of range in vehicles purchasable in volume right now).
Incredibly frustrating, yet absolutely the norm. The comparison that any journalist worth their weight in <insert inexpensive commodity product here> would be GM's touted 400-mile range vs Tesla's touted 500+ mile (Cybertruck) or 600+ Mile (Roadster 2021) range. Both of those products should be on the market prior to the first GM vehicle subject to this announcement (the updated Bolt coming later this year is not an Ultium product).
Poppycock.
Bring it on, GM--I wish them luck and hope they're successful. But let's give appropriate credit to whom and at such time as it's earned.
Not sure if this was posted
https://electrek.co/2020/03/05/tesl...egen-braking-better-bluetooth-track-mode/amp/
https://electrek.co/2020/03/05/tesl...egen-braking-better-bluetooth-track-mode/amp/
StealthP3D
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What was true then is not necessarily true later. The world is in a constant state of flux and there are not many absolute truths.
humbaba
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You are trying to assert the most conservative view of what it would mean to be complete. But "feature complete" is not shorthand for "completely perfected". In particular, look at the features listed by Tesla. This amounts to navigate on autopilot, auto lane change, autopark, summon, traffic lights/stop signs, and automatic city driving. When the last two are released FSD will be "feature complete" because all features will be present. Will they be perfect? No. Will they be usable? Partially.
Note, this isn't me guessing or reading between the lines. At autonomy day Elon laid it out. I don't have the text at hand to copy so this is paraphrased, but it went something like this: "first it will be feature complete, then safe enough to use, then the regulators will be convinced." It is implicit from that that feature complete is not completely done.
Full Self-Driving Capability
- Navigate on Autopilot: automatic driving from highway on-ramp to off-ramp including interchanges and overtaking slower cars.
- Auto Lane Change: automatic lane changes while driving on the highway.
- Autopark: both parallel and perpendicular spaces.
- Summon: your parked car will come find you anywhere in a parking lot. Really.
- Recognize and respond to traffic lights and stop signs.
- Automatic driving on city streets.[/quote]
How good do I expect "feature complete" to be? Well, autopark used to work for me -- around 14 months ago, when it was first released. While it works nicely for parallel parking in the entire time I have had autopark the perpendicular parking has worked twice -- both in the initial release. Since then it has required intervention to avoid accidents or, much more commonly, simply given up and aborted. Heck, I love summon, but it doesn't work that well either. Karpathy said something about feeling like a king with the car rolling up to you for you to step into. If only. It drives at you, then will swerve wide trying to figure out how to approach or simply stop fifteen feet away. Either way, it either self aborts before reaching your or you have to abort its shenanigans. A bit unnerving for it to accelerate suddenly at the line of cars in the lot.
Summon is definitely not done and autopark isn't much better. Navigate on autopilot does work very well and auto lane change is quirky but nearly as good. When we get "automatic driving on city streets" I will be happy, but I'm nowhere near ready to take my hands off of the wheel. I know some thing me pessimistic with the view that that is (at least) five years out, but in my opinion its all moot. No other manufacturer has as good of a driver assistance and yet they are already taking about hands-free driving which gives me the shivers.
For all of its faults, and in my opinion they are many, autopilot is very helpful. I am reminded of this on the rare occasions when I can't use it. The most recent was an inexplicable fair-weather failure that gave the "temporarily unavailable" message as soon as I put it in drive. Driving without autopilot is, for me, definitely more stressful. I use summon multiple times a week and autopilot daily. I use autopark when I can... which is to say almost never (I'm not often in situations where its parallel parking will engage and its perpendicular almost never offers, and when it does it fails, sometimes pretty embarrassingly).
Adjust your expectations. Don't think of FSD as being autonomous driving, much less robotaxi. The market doesn't believe it, so for investing purposes I don't think it makes sense to do so. But take it for what it is: the best driver assistance around that is constantly improving and delivering real, not theoretical, value to drivers right now. So while I don't believe this capability is baked into the stock price I find it relevant as both an investor edge (e.g., the market is undervaluing real, present value, which will correct at some point) and a competitive edge (no one else competes, and as more car buyers become aware of this they will be drawn to Tesla even if they do not care about EVs or the environment.
StealthP3D
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Even then, Tesla has a lot more credibility than GM when it comes to announcing estimated ranges of announced models. Because they have a long history of over-delivering on the amount of actual range vs. announced range. The same cannot be said of GM.
Anyone may feel free to do so. JRP3 Industries believes in viral marketing just like Tesla
I would like to nominate these for posts of merit.
You sir are on a roll. One of the funniest posts I've seen on here ever. I wish I could have rated it "Funny" and "Love."Yeah, one thing that stuck with me from Hyperchange's summary of GM's announcement was how different Tesla's announcement events are.
GM: <marketing mumbo-jumbo> A few car shots, some specs torn from a bunch of different vehicles selectively.
Tesla: Here is the car. This is a 95% accurate representation of what it will look like. Here's the cost. Here is the range, and the acceleration. It will ship on <date>.
Aside from that <date> part--which Tesla is getting better at if the Y is any indication--Tesla has a remarkably good record of meeting/exceeding their proposed specs.
Off Shore
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Either I'm in awe of your ability to keep a clean garage or you went to a lot of trouble to create that memeAnyone may feel free to do so. JRP3 Industries believes in viral marketing just like Tesla
Random thought: does anyone think that during the next GM bankruptcy they could get part of the agreement to allow them to finally cut the strings (contracts) with all their franchise dealerships, to allow them to sell direct? In states that allow it now, of course.You have to think they would love to get a bigger slice of the pie. Dealerships could still buy cars from GM to sell, but GM would also be allowed to sell off the web.
ev-enthusiast
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Stone_Watcher
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Do you think the American people are going to bail out GM again?
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