Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

[StealthP3D]

Please Stop Feeding the Trolls

You know it's a troll when they claim they couldn't be a troll because they have been camping under the bridge since before you got there!

 

[Artful Dodger]

I don't know. It looks to me like the manipulators have been having to expend a lot of resources to keep a lid on TSLA and it might be about ready to get away from them.

Low volume today though. Only 5.9M shares traded so far.

 

[elasalle]

Please Stop Feeding the Trolls

If 5-10 respected Designated members identify a Troll, the MOD should zap that account. cheers!!

 

[oldTAVguy]

once again folks are making up bullshit I never said and being mad about it.

Weird.

When you say he violated a "promise" you are calling him a lair. Or do we get into a dictionary battle on this next, and waste everyone's time.

 

[Artful Dodger]

Ben & Mitch Zacks were regular guests of mine on my old TV show.

Zacks - yesterday: Will Tesla Be The Death Of Oil?

Quote:

"The financial world is pricing in an imminent electronic vehicle (EV) takeover"​

Cheers!

 

[Knightshade]

You know it's a troll when they claim they couldn't be a troll because they have been camping under the bridge since before you got there!

Do you ever not lie about what folks you disagree with actually said? Just curious.

What I actually said in response to your suggestion I'm only here to spread FUD (which I haven't done even once, so another lie from you) was to point out I've been here longer and made far more posts than even you have.

Thus you could easily go look at those posts to see your claims about why I'm here and what I post are factually wrong.

But facts don't seem to interest you nearly as much as attacking anyone who presents any facts painting any aspect of the company as anything less than perfect.

Which again- unrealistic imaginings about a company is a poor way to make investment decisions, but you do you.


I'm obviously quite PRO tesla (apart from owning one and having quite a bit invested in em)- but having fact/realistic based ideas about what things they might accomplish when in the future helps inform that.



If you ACTUALLY believed Elon that they'd have robotaxis approved by end of 2020 as he claimed last year you might well have made somewhat different choices (especially as regards option plays) than if you realized he consistently throws out dates he has no idea if he can (and likely can not) meet on the FSD front.

So knowing the difference might well be helpful to some folks. Though not you apparently.

 

[wipster]

At least the roller coaster is higher up on the ferris wheel today...

 

[SOULPEDL]

Interesting and insightful but unfortunately completely one-sided . I am quite in the middle between the two poles she describes.

That's bc there is so much in common betwwen the 2 groups. I think you were represented. I read it twice, kinda scary and definitely, maybe need to disguise my Model 3 as a Nissan 240sx in some crowds.

 

[Artful Dodger]

When you say he violated a "promise" you are calling him a lair. Or do we get into a dictionary battle on this next, and waste everyone's time.

Please, let it go.

 

[Chunky Jr.]

these two statements are very different from a CEO:
"I'm confident we will be profitable next quarter "
"I promise you we will be profitable next quarter"

The former leaves open the possibility that it won't happen. The latter doesn't. They are in no way identical.

 

[Knightshade]

When you say he violated a "promise" you are calling him a lair. Or do we get into a dictionary battle on this next, and waste everyone's time.

Not only did I not do that- I specifically cited a quote from Elon himself explaining why his breaking promises on this stuff does not mean he's a liar.

So again some people appear to have made up stuff I not only didn't say- but said the opposite of- so as to have some fake things to be mad about.


I agree there's trolls here, but I ain't one of em

 

[ZeApelido]

i think you're the one unclear on the definition

At the most I TOTALLY RIDE ELONS JOCK reading of his actual words he at least promised in the 2nd definition under verb.

In any reasonable reading the "I am confident we will have..." line fits the other 2 definitions too.


I love Elon too man- but he has zero idea how long FSD will actually take.

He's literally said if it's something he hasn't done before you can't trust his word on how long things will take (Green cited this in his remarks).

Stop defending bullshit dates.

(and he should stop giving em- it's just fuel for the anti-tesla folks fires)



This is what he said in 2019-his exact words in quotes.

“I feel very confident predicting autonomous robotaxis for Tesla next year,” Musk said on stage at the Tesla Autonomy Investor Day in Palo Alto, California. They won’t be “in all jurisdictions, because we won’t have regulatory approval everywhere, but I am confident we will have at least regulatory approval somewhere, literally next year,” he said.




prom·ise
/ˈpräməs/

noun

1. a declaration or assurance that one will do a particular thing or that a particular thing will happen.
   "what happened to all those firm promises of support?"

verb

1. 1.
   assure someone that one will definitely do, give, or arrange something; undertake or declare that something will happen.
   "he promised to forward my mail"
2. 2.
   give good grounds for expecting (a particular occurrence or situation).

The entire FSD forum on TMC is just filled with this sort of garbage. Whining and complaining about what Elon "promised". Over and over and over again. Oh and Waymo has won because there's a driverless car in suburban Phoenix.

No technical expertise being input, just garbage.

That's the forum. Now I see they are leaking in over here. Just throw it all out.

 

[PeterJA]

I'm not at all surprised they missed the date (or will anyway, technically 2020 isn't over but it's pretty clear they're missing the date). He's been missing dates on FSD since 2016.

That was kinda the point of why you should take any promises from him on that topic with a continent of salt...and not necessarily price into your stock considerations any dates he gives on the topic.

The issue was someone claiming he never even made the promise in the first place and suggesting I was lying about it or not understanding what the word promise meant.

I am pricing into my stock considerations Elon's FSD predictions. I bought shares yesterday instead of waiting.

Futurist Ray Kurzweil observed that humans tend to think of change as linear, not exponential. His favorite example is the legend of The Inventor of Chess and the Emperor of China. Another example is your post.

I know little about neural nets, but I know that supercomputers work fast. Once the self-driving neural nets are set up and the driving data is loaded up, I suspect it will not take long for the nets to learn from the data. Maybe days? Maybe hours? Supercomputers don't learn at human speed.

So I disagree that "it's pretty clear" Tesla will miss Elon's latest deadline, since "technically" 2020 is quite far from over.

Another mistake of linear thinking is assuming that because Elon misjudged the FSD timeline in the past, he will continue to do so. Every day of his team's progress brings him more information on which to base his predictions. And unlike some people, Elon learns from his mistakes. Model S, X and 3 all appeared later than he predicted. Model Y was six months early.

 

[Tim S]

I'm beginning to think your purpose here is to disrupt the forum and attempt to sow discord.

Exactly! Everyone please stop responding to the shady member.

 

[smorgasbord]

Tesla (TSLA) will be larger than 95% of the S&P 500 if it qualifies for the index | Teslarati.com

Make that 97% (and climbing): TSLA would enter the S&P 500 ranked at about #17 at current Market Cap of 262.167B (just passed NVDA).

Cheers!

Are you counting GOOG and GOOGL as separate companies? They are separate tickers.

This is a list of S&P 500 stocks, updated daily. As of yesterday:

1 Microsoft Corporation MSFT 6.235476

213.26 -1.06 (-0.49%)
2 Apple Inc. AAPL 5.985626

381.88 -0.85 (-0.22%)
3 Amazon.com Inc. AMZN 5.120107

3,184.76 2.13 (0.07%)
4 Facebook Inc. Class A FB 2.257404

241.88 -2.62 (-1.07%)
5 Alphabet Inc. Class A GOOGL 1.74961

1,517.74 -0.92 (-0.06%)
6 Alphabet Inc. Class C GOOG 1.69676

1,514.71 3.72 (0.25%)
7 Johnson & Johnson JNJ 1.44144

142.53 0.04 (0.03%)
8 Berkshire Hathaway Inc. Class B BRK.B 1.334794

180.65 1.85 (1.03%)
9 Visa Inc. Class A V 1.245137

191.34 -0.87 (-0.45%)
10 Procter & Gamble Company PG 1.163907

123.41 0.93 (0.76%)
11 JPMorgan Chase & Co. JPM 1.067939

94.45 3.17 (3.47%)
12 UnitedHealth Group Incorporated UNH 1.060268

290.34 -0.82 (-0.28%)
13 Home Depot Inc. HD 1.023994

250.02 2.06 (0.83%)
14 Mastercard Incorporated Class A MA 0.998072

294.94 0.35 (0.12%)
15 NVIDIA Corporation NVDA 0.992842

421.45 1.09 (0.26%)
16 Intel Corporation​

With the market the way it is these days, the list fluctuates quite a bit, even for companies this big. This is a list that's just a few days old, and so it doesn't capture NVDA's recent run to surpass INTC, for instance.

 

[Krugerrand]

If you ACTUALLY believed Elon that they'd have robotaxis approved by end of 2020 as he claimed last year ...

...and we have a winner.

FYI, Elon NEVER said that. In FACT, Elon has consistently said that regulatory APPROVAL for robotaxis would LAG the actual functionality of the robotaxis.

 

[mejojo]

Yeppers! It's my birthday, it's Nikola Tesla's birthday, it's Friday....all good things. Feelin the flow.....

workin' it...workin' it.....

 

[Nocturnal]

Apparently money doesn't buy happiness because there is a linear relationship between SP and amount of bickering on this forum.

 

[Artful Dodger]

Since it is impossible to block the deluge of 'Replies' to blocked comments, I am now blocking those who continue to engage trolls.

Mods.

 

[callmesam]

I am pricing into my stock considerations Elon's FSD predictions. I bought shares yesterday instead of waiting.

Futurist Ray Kurzweil observed that humans tend to think of change as linear, not exponential. His favorite example is the legend of The Inventor of Chess and the Emperor of China. Another example is your post.

I know little about neural nets, but I know that supercomputers work fast. Once the self-driving neural nets are set up and the driving data is loaded up, I suspect it will not take long for the nets to learn from the data. Maybe days? Maybe hours? Supercomputers don't learn at human speed.

So I disagree that "it's pretty clear" Tesla will miss Elon's latest deadline, since "technically" 2020 is quite far from over.

Another mistake of linear thinking is assuming that because Elon misjudged the FSD timeline in the past, he will continue to do so. Every day of his team's progress brings him more information on which to base his predictions. And unlike some people, Elon learns from his mistakes. Model S, X and 3 all appeared later than he predicted. Model Y was six months early.

Model 3 was on time. Deliveries began in July 2017 to employees and I took delivery in December 2017.

"Musk is "fairly confident" that deliveries will begin by the end of 2017"

This is the Tesla Model 3, coming in 2017 for $35,000.