This brings up a question: Using 4680s requires another 10mm of height. It’s not a hugely significant amount, but with other possible changes (structural pack) wouldn’t another full crash test regiment be required? Would someone be able to find test requests/results from the applicable governmental organization?
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Funnily enough he said that the driver's side was pretty much perfect. So whoever works on that side of the line needs a raise, and the other side...
That's the only time I ever used the 3rd row in my Highlander. Those seats were barely larger than the Y from what I can tell. It's a choice between being squeeze a little or taking two cars.
bkp_duke
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While Tesla will likely have the crash tests redone, because the car should fare better with a structural pack, they could integrate the structural pack without any change in height parameters. Remember, while the cells are 10mm higher, there are other things being removed from the non-structural pack that easily gives them the 10mm back to work with.
Isn't range/100kwh on the efficiency of the car and not the battery? When it comes to energy density, it's about putting more kwh per similar weight. So a 100kwh wouldn't improve range for a model S that much as any range improvements would come from weight savings only which is something but not dramatic. The true range increase is from a 150kwh pack that is the same weight as the old 100kwh pack..this will yield the most range improvement.
I'm not buying it. [batteries, I'm buying the dip!]
The articles confirming Elon saying 4680 batteries on Plaid. Link to a tweet of him saying "yeah" to Whole mars blog asking ~"will plaid use structural 4680 pack". That tweet is now deleted and the convo is shot.
Also someone in the know [maybe bill wright] said there are 18,560 different ways to get Plaid on an S.
Also, they're short on batteries and the 18650 works great, why quit them.
My guess is they use a much improved 18650 on the S and X. Same size pack physically but higher kwh. The cars are all MUCH improved faster/longer range, with Plaid being the top of the line. Then, they upgrade the power on the current Y and 3. We all know that they're capable of more. For example we finally get the ludicrous Model 3 which was promised in the past. Another example is when you purchase the acceleration boost it increases the front power but decreases the rear. There's more in the tank there for sure. No one can currently compete with the current 3 and Y, wait until they're uncorked. They've been held down because you can't have a Model 3 faster than a Model S. Bad for biz. By the time every human wants a 3 and Y, Austin will be up and running producing farrrrr more cars than one can believe.
Those two S and X lines went to one making room for another. They start the Roadster in Freemont in the next couple of months and that uses structural 4680 cells.
Then I'm left with the extremely difficult first world problem of Ludicrous 3, Plaid S, or the full Monty.
...all the restaurants will be Taco Bell.
The articles confirming Elon saying 4680 batteries on Plaid. Link to a tweet of him saying "yeah" to Whole mars blog asking ~"will plaid use structural 4680 pack". That tweet is now deleted and the convo is shot.
Also someone in the know [maybe bill wright] said there are 18,560 different ways to get Plaid on an S.
Also, they're short on batteries and the 18650 works great, why quit them.
My guess is they use a much improved 18650 on the S and X. Same size pack physically but higher kwh. The cars are all MUCH improved faster/longer range, with Plaid being the top of the line. Then, they upgrade the power on the current Y and 3. We all know that they're capable of more. For example we finally get the ludicrous Model 3 which was promised in the past. Another example is when you purchase the acceleration boost it increases the front power but decreases the rear. There's more in the tank there for sure. No one can currently compete with the current 3 and Y, wait until they're uncorked. They've been held down because you can't have a Model 3 faster than a Model S. Bad for biz. By the time every human wants a 3 and Y, Austin will be up and running producing farrrrr more cars than one can believe.
Those two S and X lines went to one making room for another. They start the Roadster in Freemont in the next couple of months and that uses structural 4680 cells.
Then I'm left with the extremely difficult first world problem of Ludicrous 3, Plaid S, or the full Monty.
...all the restaurants will be Taco Bell.
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Or, there's the option that Elon actually brought up, namely sending the 4680s to Berlin for initial Model Y production there until local battery production is scaled.
Right now we'd put the two younger kids in the back, two older in the middle. But the two older are already taller than their mom and they all keep growing... how many years are we supposed to get out of this?
Besides, target price for purchasing an X was $700, so now we're just waiting to see what the refresh brings.
Krugerrand
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Nope. Not until there’s a demand issue someone brings to my attention.
I just saw that the Market will be closed Monday, which means ANOTHER 3 day long weekend. WTF! These guys have almost as many days off as school teachers.
Let me see if I can find one of those for ya....
Edit...does this count?
https://seekingalpha.com/article/4381342-tesla-faces-real-demand-problem-in-china
corduroy
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I just saw that the Market will be closed Monday, which means ANOTHER 3 day long weekend. WTF! These guys have almost as many days off as school teachers.
Free theta burn for option sellers!
Pezpunk
Active Member
I'm not buying it. [batteries, I'm buying the dip!]
The articles confirming Elon saying 4680 batteries on Plaid. Link to a tweet of him saying "yeah" to Whole mars blog asking ~"will plaid use structural 4680 pack". That tweet is now deleted and the convo is shot.
Also someone in the know [maybe bill wright] said there are 18,560 different ways to get Plaid on an S.
Also, they're short on batteries and the 18650 works great, why quit them.
My guess is they use a much improved 18650 on the S and X. Same size pack physically but higher kwh. The cars are all MUCH improved faster/longer range, with Plaid being the top of the line. Then, they upgrade the power on the current Y and 3. We all know that they're capable of more. For example we finally get the ludicrous Model 3 which was promised in the past. Another example is when you purchase the acceleration boost it increases the front power but decreases the rear. There's more in the tank there for sure. No one can currently compete with the current 3 and Y, wait until they're uncorked. They've been held down because you can't have a Model 3 faster than a Model S. Bad for biz. By the time every human wants a 3 an Y Austin will be up and running predicting farrrrr more cars than one can believe.
Those two S and X lines went to one making room for another. They start the Roadster in Freemont in the next couple of months and that uses structural 4680 cells.
Then I'm left with the extremely difficult first world problem of Ludicrous 3, Plaid S, or the full Monty.
...all the restaurants will be Taco Bell.
18650s will never not overheat after about 4 minutes of track use. That'll only get you halfway around the Nürburgring. That may be fine for standard Model S / X vehicles, but it's not acceptable for Plaid. It's got to use the tabless design to dissipate enough heat to work as a track car and compete with the Taycan.
I don't disagree and that exact point is my biggest question mark. I won't be using my Plaid S reservation if it uses 18650 as I plan on tracking my next Tesla. Never the less I stand by my guess.
Mo City
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This illustrates just how big the Austin land area is (more than 3x Berlin). Obviously 9 GFs won't be built there.
https://twitter.com/jpr007/status/1349767170759159809?s=19
https://twitter.com/jpr007/status/1349767170759159809?s=19
It does seem possible that Tesla soon will be breaking ground on a second gigafactory building. This would be a bit off-cadence, if the cadence is every year.
Krugerrand
Meow
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Clearly I’m living in a different simulation than others.
Clearly I’m living in a different simulation than others.
Design center, corporate HQ, nature park by the river...
bkp_duke
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*cough* new world headquarters *cough*
*cough* new design center *cough*
No kidding, Musk is not happy with California and intends to slowly but steadily reduce presence in the state.
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