I've never traded pre-market. How do you tell if this is enabled in your preferred platform?
EDIT: Found Fidelity extended trading:
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Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable
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Really? I let the comment about the headline being inaccurate slide because it wasn’t worth the time to point out that the headline is actually accurate. Beside, who the &$#- cares? Why does it matter?
Will RivIan put chargers in exactly the same spot as Tesla chargers? I mean, in exactly the same spot, not in the same friggin state? Of course they won’t/aren’t, therefore the headline is accurate.
You (and PeterJA) seem to think that because Rivian and Tesla chargers will both be in Hawaii, Alaska, etc. that means the headline is wrong.
Bollocks. If you can be pedantic claiming the headline is wrong, I can be just as pedantic claiming it to be right. But as I said, this is a stupid discussion.
Krugerrand
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I wonder what the locals on the forum think about this:
Tesla is on a collision course with Germany's biggest union and neither side is likely to back down
What happens when a notoriously anti-union carmaker sets up shop in a country with one of the strongest traditions of organized labor?www.businessinsider.com
Did you not watch their most recent ‘recruitment’ video? If not, you should. Several people were introduced. It’s quite an eclectic, diverse group of brilliant people.
I am setting this up as part of my will -- the life insurance part appears unnecessary. It would best be discussed in another thread...
Thank you for the suggestion @2daMoon.
Since it is the weekend, I will speculate there are a few things we don't fully understand.
We don't understand all of the construction happening at Austin and Shanghai, there are multiple sites at each location.
We don't know what the plan is for LFP cells for energy storage.
We don't know what the plans are for Supercharging and Megacharging, expansion and allowing others to use the service.
If we see more sites with more than 50 stalls, allowing other brands to charge will not impact on customer service.
We don't have the full picture on FSD progress, and we don't know what if any plans exist for a possible partnership with Toyota.,
We may get some more useful information in the Q1 earnings call.
Seems to me less information is leaking out from Tesla these days, and outsiders are finding it harder to piece together the full jigsaw. Most of what we don't know, is probably good news.
One thing that's less stupid is being aware that Bloomberg has a history of bias against Tesla, and therefore should be read with skepticism when they write about Tesla.
Their headline is: Rivian Will Go Where Even Tesla Doesn’t Dare
There is no evidence in the article (or elsewhere to my knowledge) that Tesla "doesn't dare" to go anywhere. Tesla seems very busy putting chargers wherever their customers want them. Therefore Bloomberg's headline is pure clickbait fiction.
I could see Burry doing this without realizing he was breaking the law. I suspect he is that clueless. Burry barely survived a legal challenge when he made his huge bet against the housing market in 2005-2008. He was running a fund and his investment bets were way outside what his fund documents said he was going to do. Fund investors were pissed and threatened legal action. After that (and after he made a lot of money for his ungrateful investors), he vowed to never invest other people’s money anymore, he would just play with his own money. Now he’s taking a vow of silence. Probably for the best.
As far as I could tell, the only given reason why he shorted Tesla is that the market cap was too high. Like way too high, thinking it could go as low as $100/share bringing it inline with other auto companies. Which means he doesn't think Tesla can keep on exponentially growing. However there is no evidence that I can see that Tesla can’t grow as big as the majors. Indeed, it is the most likely scenario in my mind. Oddly enough for a contrarian, Burry seems to attach a lot of value to VW's luxury brands. I guess Burry never heard that “Cadillac“ used to be synonymous with luxury?
Wrong. Rivian is putting chargers in really obscure places. Tesla, especially when they started, put and continues to put their chargers in the most trafficked areas. It is a smart strategy for a mass market brand like Tesla. Rivian is an adventure brand so they are putting their chargers in really remote places.
It appears that we are excited about the opening on Monday morning. Hopefully we will see a bounce back over $700. Does anyone have experience with watching the premarket trading value on mornings after a surprise beat on P&D or earnings? Is there a opportunity to purchase some additional shares prior to the market opening and hopefully what turns out to be a 10%+ day.
Evidence, please. There is none in the article, and the two charger maps suggest otherwise.
Rivian map
Tesla map
Edit: I see now from the maps that Rivian plans more fast chargers in Alaska and Hawaii "by end of 2023" than Tesla shows for 2021 and 2022. So fair enough for those remote places. But I suspect that Tesla will dare to go there when Cybertruck gives Rivian some adventure competition.
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“These companies are finding it is harder to actually take that PowerPoint slide and get a product out of it than was envisioned,” said Jon Lopez, an analyst at investment bank Vertical Group who follows the sector. “If you’re having to reposition or pivot already, what’s going to happen in three years or five years?” he asked, noting there would then be far more competition from traditional auto makers."
www.wsj.com
TLDR
1. Canoo told investors it's abandoning or scaling back key aspects of the strategy laid out when it raise 630 mil last year
2. Romeo Power is expected decreased guild from 140 mil to 40 mil
3. Lordstown Motors it will need double the capex
4. XL Fleet facing problems without much explanation, and decrease guide from rev 75 mil down to 1 mil.
All 4 companies had a stock tank between 12-20%.
BTW to read the article behind the paywall, use a cellphone and clear bowser history first.
EV Companies Went Public With Big Plans. They’re Quickly Hitting Snags.
Stocks fall after electric-vehicle companies disclose in their first earnings calls that they missed goals that were set before their SPAC mergers.
www.wsj.com
TLDR
1. Canoo told investors it's abandoning or scaling back key aspects of the strategy laid out when it raise 630 mil last year
2. Romeo Power is expected decreased guild from 140 mil to 40 mil
3. Lordstown Motors it will need double the capex
4. XL Fleet facing problems without much explanation, and decrease guide from rev 75 mil down to 1 mil.
All 4 companies had a stock tank between 12-20%.
BTW to read the article behind the paywall, use a cellphone and clear bowser history first.
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That isn't what their site says...
That doesn't sound obscure or really remote at all.
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Not to break your weekend fun but it will be up significantly premarket, when you will be able to purchase shares it might already up significantly from Friday closure.
gabeincal
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Had a chance to do just that. Not seeing much progress and factory was dead quiet with not much to see. No S&X visible in the delivery yard and it was mostly empty so I didn't fly there today. Here you go, enjoy:
Also, thought this was funny...
Mo City
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Premarket sellers are also aware of the P&D results.
I wonder if Burry has made the same amount of research on TSLA as he has done on the housing market prior to 2008. being a contrarian and betting on GME when it was way undervalued, I would have expected him to do the same when TSLA started the production hell of the Model 3 and the title was undervalued. I still don’t get why he is comparing Tesla to other auto manufacturers with all the software, hardware, energy, insurance divisions of TSLA.
I hope Burry covered when it dropped below 600 several times recently. He must surely know he's not going to out-wait Tesla to the grave, he'll reach the grave first. But I guess it doesn't matter if he stops tweeting anyways, he was the last major loudmouthed short. Everyone else has covered or been blown out of their positions, so when Burry finally shuts the hell up there will finally be little more than the bleating of people like GordyJo and TSLAQ who mostly have zero skin in the game and are paid sock puppets by their many puppet masters.
Ok I watched it, I had watched it once before but really delved in more this evening. Yes they have some pretty smart people as part of the team, and it is exciting to see them try to get engineers working on the issue (this is sorely needed), but the real value at this point is that Elon is the only person actually capable of inspiring people to take it seriously.
I am someone who likes this research and subject, but I respectfully think they don’t have a serious group of researchers yet. My hope is that they will one day. There are some fantastic neuroscience researchers at the University of Texas. we need a Karpathy equivalent but in neuroscience and medicine and the problem is that person is going to be a weird mix of of a neurotologist and an academic. I love the idea and the mission of neuralink but they need to be building a wing of a major university and incredibly strong at basic research. I think the reason I care about neuralink being the weakest of Elon’s projects is because it’s the most important, and I don’t want it to be written off by real scientists that understand the challenge. I’m very thankful they are trying but want it not to suck or die an early death. Or worse, that it be associated with something like Theranos where engineers are tasked with solving a basic science question.
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