The adapters could include a 4 foot cable. This isn't rocket science.How does a front left charge port work in a back left charge port space?
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The adapters could include a 4 foot cable. This isn't rocket science.How does a front left charge port work in a back left charge port space?
Turn your car around like this ->How does a front left charge port work in a back left charge port space?
But, how infuriating will it be on a long trip, to pull up to a overcrowded Supercharger, exasperated by slow charging “others” and wait in queue, behind a VW, Audi or whatever? Tesla needs a solution that minimizes the impact to Tesla customers to not create an issue. To be honest, the minimal impact solution is NOT OBVIOUS TO ME.
Current superchargers are "dumb". The car initiates the charge (according to Ignineerix who has re-enabled paid supercharging on 1000s of salvage cars). So unless Tesla upgrades all of their superchargers to be "smart", the change will have to be in the 3rd party cars. Maybe they'll combine this with the rollout of the 300kw superchargers.I'd assume they will have an App (or just modify the Tesla App), then the person creates an account with Tesla. The App will start the charge and bill the credit card on the account. Should be pretty transparent.
Just drove 16 hours with 2 kids and a giant dog...and the wife. About 3.5 of that was charging. Infuriating would be an understatement under those circumstances. Comically infuriating madness it would be.I think it’s smart to open superchargers to help pay for them. SCs are significant sunk costs and likely are still being subsidized since IMO (monthly income) << (monthly cost) at most SCs…
The advertising is automatic for a slow charging vehicles because they will watch countless Tesla’s come and go in minutes while they charge…They will also either witness or experience perfect point of sale methods that all Tesla customers experience at SC and hate the other chargers even more.
But, how infuriating will it be on a long trip, to pull up to a overcrowded Supercharger, exasperated by slow charging “others” and wait in queue, behind a VW, Audi or whatever? Tesla needs a solution that minimizes the impact to Tesla customers to not create an issue. To be honest, the minimal impact solution is NOT OBVIOUS TO ME.
The Musk/SolarCity court case has left the headlines. All arguments finished? Any action from the court?
Certainly a VW or Ford owner will end up chatting some Tesla owners
So my 2 cents on the Supercharger news...
Honestly, as a shareholder I am not happy. The network is one of Tesla's main competitive advantages and now they are giving it up for peanuts. Ask Big Oil why most of the majors have sold their gas stations to 3rd party operators, or went branded wholesale. Hint: you can't make money on selling gas. I mean sure the oil companies make money on selling crude and refining it, but if you operate a gas station, the convenience store is the one that makes money, not the pump. So for those who see some major revenue stream from this, I am not sure anything suggest this part would be different with electricity. And then there is the potential to annoy your own customers as they will now have to wait while some Hyundai Kona with a 39kwh battery is charging for an hour. (Not hating on the Kona, it's just an example of a car that charges super slow).
Hopefully Elon knows what he is doing.
Looks like Tesla is in the business of putting a station in every corner and WAWAs while monopolizing the entire charging infrastructure as EA couldn't get their crap together. Oh also I believe these stations may be subsidized by the good old US of A from the infrastructure bill.
CEO Elon Musk has said in the past that the Tesla Supercharger network is open to use by other electric vehicle manufacturers, but to use the system other companies would need to help invest in the expansion of the network. As of today, no other company is known to use the Supercharger network
I recall back in 2013 Elon stated something like; "It isn't the car makers who made the most money, it was those that supplied the fuel".
As things stand, it’s possible for those customers to believe they have made the best purchase. If allowed to rub shoulders with the Tesla community, that delusion evaporates and the maker of their vehicle has a disgruntled customer.
This info is probably not correct anymore for the CCS2 euro chargers. Remember that some non-Tesla’s could initially charge on them for free, and this hole was plugged by a software update of the superchargers.Current superchargers are "dumb". The car initiates the charge (according to Ignineerix who has re-enabled paid supercharging on 1000s of salvage cars). So unless Tesla upgrades all of their superchargers to be "smart", the change will have to be in the 3rd party cars. Maybe they'll combine this with the rollout of the 300kw superchargers.
@The Accountant If that prior tax, loss related adjustment* is done this quarter, doesn’t that works as offsetting the bitcoin impairment?I wish we know which of these analysts had the Bitcoin impairment factored in, in their estimates.
I am afraid the media will selectively choose the numbers, pick the consensus number without bitcoin impairment and compare to the EPS with bitcoin impairment.
Pah.Prosecutorial lawyers held in contempt.
Banished to Alaska.
… it might be. Let’s say an extension cord cuts the peak charge rate in half by doubling the length of the wire and adding an electrical connection.The adapters could include a 4 foot cable. This isn't rocket science.
The Car And Driver numbers at least are USA-only (or perhaps inc Canada, I am unsure), and are 6-month YTD, i.e. Q1+Q2. The Car And Driver text seems fairly clear that they are Q1+Q2 when I read the text and look at what we know of sales data. For sure we can see that they cannot be global numbers by comparing them with Tesla Q2 P&D numbers which are 382,140 for Q1+Q2 for 3/Y vs the 127,939 for the 3/Y shown here. Anyway here are the Car And Driver numbers in a table. The Teslarati article is best ignored.Look at his sales numbers. I think I saw that he only gave quarterly numbers yet always referred to them as year to date numbers.
Am I right about this? I tried to write him but saw no email address.
The infrastructure bill includes $7.5B for EV charging infrastructure(for now at least).
One version of the bill included the following text:
INTEROPERABILITY.—Federal funds provided by this Act may not be used to construct any publicly available EVSE that has the ability to serve vehicle produced by only one vehicle manufacturer.
If the goal is to receive federal funds, I don’t think selling adapters will work. With the money from the bill Tesla could expand the Supercharger network for free and guarantee future revenue.
One solution is to add CCS stalls to current sites. The cost of adding a few stalls to current sites would be way lower than EA or EVGO building new sites from scratch. There are many ways to solve the payment issue. More cars are coming with Plug to Charge, and not all manufacturers have issues with EA chargers. I’m sure after a few software updates the Tesla CCS chargers will be more reliable than the competition.
This will also avoid the issue of a Tesla owner having to wait an hour while a Kona charges at 40kw.
The infrastructure bill includes $7.5B for EV charging infrastructure(for now at least).
One version of the bill included the following text:
INTEROPERABILITY.—Federal funds provided by this Act may not be used to construct any publicly available EVSE that has the ability to serve vehicle produced by only one vehicle manufacturer.
You might be on to something.
I just listened to yesterday's Tesla Daily podcast, where Rob was going through some of last weekend's rumors regarding Cybertruck, opening superchargers to OEMs, etc. He said at at about 8.22: "the German brands might also buy the internal chargers from Tesla for new models, which, I could definitely see being the case if they do tie into the Supercharger network."
Again, this is just rumor/speculation at this point, but I could see this as being perhaps a decent solution for Tesla if the German government is going to require Tesla to open up its Superchargers in Germany. I could see Tesla being open to this as it would force German brands to buy Tesla's hardware if they want to use the charging network. Hard to imagine Old Auto agreeing to this, at least from an ego point of view, but they may not have a choice if Tesla says, "OK, fine, we'll open our network. But you guys will have to install our on-board chargers for this to work safely and with our payment system."
Anyway, I think it would be one of the fairest and safest ways for Old Auto to tap into Tesla's existing charging network: force them into installing Tesla on-board chargers on at least some of their new EVs going forward, at least the ones marketed as long-distance travelers.
Would also bring a whole new meaning to "hybrid" EV, haha. Think: "The all-new Mustang Mach-E, with Tesla charger! Only at your nearest Ford dealer!"
Ability to only serve one type??? That could spply to any system that has the ability to have its software updated or connector changed...INTEROPERABILITY.—Federal funds provided by this Act may not be used to construct any publicly available EVSE that has the ability to serve vehicle produced by only one vehicle manufacturer.
What percentage of Tesla owners do you think read elons master plan? Most people just buy the car they like the look and sound of, and the specs. They don't read the company mission statement. If a Tesla owner tells me they feel cheated that suddenly 2 years after purchase their once often-empty supercharger location has queues full of cheaper cars, I would agree with them.With that said though, anyone shocked at this is not paying attention. It’s mission statement number one,the point of the master plan.
Will the plan involve changing both sides of all existing Tesla connectors to SAE standard as infrastructure improvement?Superchargers output DC with a voltage and dynamic current limit specified by the vehicle. The vehicle side only needs a set of contactors to connect the charge port and pack along with a module to handle communications. No high current or high voltage parts needed in the module itself.
This module could easily be made with standard communication interfaces to the vehicle (BMS control of charge rate) and contactor control lines. With a unique ID programmed in, billing would be automatic.
This saves Tesla a metric crap ton of headache by pushing all the OEM interfaces to a standard API inside the car systems and allows them full control over the Supercharger to vehicle interface (including sw updates).
In a well integrated system, it would also push Tesla to support the existing standards (one module to charge port), which they do anyway, but would need 3rd party EVSE compatibility verification, unless they only officially support Tesla Wall Connectors (more revenue).
Ability to only serve one type??? That could spply to any system that has the ability to have its software updated or connector changed...
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